dogdude Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I think this clip is a great example of working in prey drive. Control and desperation is clearly evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted January 12, 2010 Author Share Posted January 12, 2010 Well it depends on what drive, and whether you're looking for pre cursors to drive etc or just drive peak.. I think we've got the whole bag, now. I think still photos are very unreliable in terms of whether something 'is' anything. I have seen a few terrific photos that look like one thing but having been there when it was taken, what actually happened was completely different! True, although there are some obviously very driven dogs in some photos on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I think this clip is a great example of working in prey drive. Control and desperation is clearly evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seita Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I think this clip is a great example of working in prey drive. Control and desperation is clearly evident. I could sooo take that dog home right now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Balabanov training a young dog now!!! I could sooo take that dog home right Did I mention you can buy them right off his website lol?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) I think this clip is a great example of working in prey drive. Control and desperation is clearly evident.Balabanov training a young dog Sorry, did someone say there was a dog in that clip? Couldn't see past the biceps Edited January 12, 2010 by Kelpie-i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I think this clip is a great example of working in prey drive. Control and desperation is clearly evident.Balabanov training a young dog Sorry, did someone say there was a dog in that clip? Couldn't see past the biceps LOL. I was going to post in that "someone wanted the dog" ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 What dog? I saw only saw 2 bicep puppies....they were so cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I'm still learning about prey drive and how it all works (LOTS to learn ) but I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jRCTmP91yg&feature=fvsr when I was cruising around YouTube the other day. I would say (from my limited knowledge) that it's a good example of a dog working in drive. Gorgeous dog too, I think he is a Dutch Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Drive is not really important unless we can harness for good and not evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Here's my boy....you can DEFINITELY see he is in drive. Without a word of a lie, he ended up doing a full back flip. Very lucky he didn't hurt himself. He now gives me a 'flip' (not a full back flip) when you pretend to throw the frisbee...am trying to put this on cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I thought it was a Mal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Thanks for that clip Dogdude, heeheee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I think a good Mal will give supreme drive for training. This a a Mal puppy I had boarding for 6 weeks, maybe 8..she was amazing. Made me think my dogs were a bit dim but I wouldn't want to live with her, she was like a Kelpie on speed...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 she was like a Kelpie on speed...lol. Wow, that's a scary thought lovely dog BTW, always liked Mals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Here's my boy....you can DEFINITELY see he is in drive. Without a word of a lie, he ended up doing a full back flip. Very lucky he didn't hurt himself. He now gives me a 'flip' (not a full back flip) when you pretend to throw the frisbee...am trying to put this on cue. Wow! To have landed back on his feet, you'd wonder if there wasn't cat in him. That's a great camera shot K-i. I never seem to have my camera at the ready (either just about to grab it or just putting it back in my pouch) when things like that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Kelpie-i -- LOVE that shot!!!!!! Impressive timing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) Thanks Erny and Terranik..only shame is that I didn't keep the camera clicking whilst he flipped. He landed heavily and was a little 'shocked' afterward, but in true kelpie spirit, kept going. I tried to get more pics but he didn't do the full flip again. Here's another...all that's missing is his cape! Edited January 12, 2010 by Kelpie-i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) A guess is all it ever can be, but the beauty of body language is that it's largely universal. PF makes a good point about breed differences, but the essentials are still there, as you can see in each picture or video. The ears are always up and forward, even when they can't physically do up, the eyes are always very focused and you can totally see a correlation between how focused and tight the face is and how fast the dog moves. The tail is generally up, and I fancy you can see how serious/aroused the dog is by how stiff their tail is. And the body, always tensed, but to varying degrees depending on how serious or aroused the dog is. Not sure about the ears and tail. When entering the flyball ring abby (the Kelpie that Nik posted a shot of) will be barking, lunging- eyes wide, ears pricked, tail up BUT when I kneel down and line her up her ears go flat to her head tail drops and she pulls her front feet up close to the body. So I agree that the body is always tense however the other areas of body language will change entirely. She is in drive the whole time and would do a run at any time (and has when she has escaped) however she prepares herself for release. I would actually dissagree that body language for drive is universal. Bluey, another of my kelpies will sit with ears back when getting ready to do flyball. He is only just 'getting' flyball so I would not say is in full drive yet however will pull on his harness to be let go. He looks no different to any other time he sits, unless you feel how tense his body is to an outsider he often does not look very drivey at all. His ears are back because he is listening to me and he keeps his ears back the entire way he is running away from me. So I guess what I am saying is that there it is more about the dogs energy rather than their physical position that would indicate when the dog is TID because their body language will be influenced my what is going on around them. ie drive with acutal prey (sheep) looks different to a dog working for a tug at obedience. ETA- LOVE the shot Kelpie-i!!!!!!!!!! And I know a Kelpie is in drive when I start dreading the vet bills.... Edited January 12, 2010 by woofenpup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) Thanks Erny and Terranik..only shame is that I didn't keep the camera clicking whilst he flipped. He landed heavily and was a little 'shocked' afterward, but in true kelpie spirit, kept going.I tried to get more pics but he didn't do the full flip again. Here's another...all that's missing is his cape! And yet another good shot! That's not Gabe underneath, is it? Doesn't look like Gabe. ??? Looks like he's saying "oh crap .... here comes the flying 'thinks he's a hero' kelpie again " LOL Edited January 12, 2010 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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