vesper12 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 The number of BRT in US is too small to make this statistic valuable. And it is not serious to make any consequence about breed health rely on statistic from only one country. Here are results of International Certificate Hip/Elbow dysplasia of BRT for Russian breeding http://www.blackterrier.ru/rus/menu0/main.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Maybe so but 371Hip and 304 elbow evaluations is food for thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 This seems like such a fascinating breed and may I just say their name is so totally deceiving! I was thinking maybe on the larger side of terrier but nothing *that* huge! BRTs seem to be growing in popularity on this board -- well there seems to more of an interest in them anyway. I can't believe just how much like giant schnauzers they look but there's definite newfie in there too. Can't really see the airdale though, however, that could be because when I hear airdale I picture a black and tan, curly coated square-faced dog. Didn't read some of the longer posts so I apologise if this has already been answered. I saw that much care needs to be taken during the growing ages (much like newfies) but can they be entered in competitions like flyball or agility or are these sports too strenuous for them? Keep the pics coming because I'm loving all the photos and more puppy photos too because I bet they're quite darling!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Are there many health problems concerning the Black Russian Terrier? Is the gene pool small in Australia? I have heard that the BRT in Australia have weak nerves, so they would not get used in security or guard roles, is this correct? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesper12 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Hi RiverStar-Aura, BRT is definetely not the best breed for flyball or agility ( too big and too heavy ). They never will be successful in these competitions. But I know there is one BRT in Russia who is quiet good in agility. I think it is important what kind of temperament your dog has and what kind of body. But they are very successful in obidience and some dogs in IPO. What would you say about this dog? Can you see Airdale in it? This dog was born in 1989. Edited April 7, 2011 by vesper12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesper12 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Food for thought, yes, but this means for me only one thing - do your homework before buy a puppy. As for me, it is more important to see another pups from parents of my future puppy. To see how they move, to know about health in older age. For example father of my dog has HD- C. In age 8-9 years he moves absolutely perfect, his kids( mostly) have no problem with hips. When my girl was growing she had no problems with joint at all. Of course it is also extremely important to keep dogs weight in balance and exercise them regularly, slowly increasing intensity of exercising. So the same rules as for any other dogs of large breed. The gene pool in Australia is very small. About weak nerves, I have seen only few BRT in Australia, and dogs I saw were balanced and self-confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverStar-Aura Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Vesper you've proven me wrong. That guy looks so much like a black airdale it's not funny and doesn't really look schnauzer at all. BRTs seem to be a really fascinating breed but I know from the sounds of things not my type of dog. Maybe later in life but I think they're a bit too big for me. I'll stick with my Aussie Terriers; much more Riverstar friendly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Hello Is it hard to learn to show groom a BRT? Are they hand stripped? clipped? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experiencedfun Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 lovely breed and I havent met one with a bad temp yet. Maybe we should have this thread renamed to Russian Black Terrier along with ANKC guidelines????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lika Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 It was crazy idea to rename it . Breeder's promote BRT for so many years in Australia and somebody just change the name of the breed without notice. I am a breeder of BRT for 20 years and don't want call it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fit for a King Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I don't think the fight over the name (and the changes to the breed standard) is over yet...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertybrook Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 being on a number of committees and member of a few western region clubs and having spoken to numerous local show secretaries and people who do catalogues, they have all said they have had no official notification of the name change :D and some expressed annoyance of how much of a pain it will be to change Databases etc, they say they wont be changing anything until they do get official notification, ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fit for a King Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 and nor should they.....I think this is going to be escalated to the ANKC..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experiencedfun Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 you should try it from a cataloguers point of view....you have everything set up with dogs in one order and then they change 2 or 3..gggrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I got a showing grooming guide off a lovely breeder, Im surprised about the lack of health testing for the BRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertybrook Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I got a showing grooming guide off a lovely breeder, Im surprised about the lack of health testing for the BRT. Not all breeders put their head in the sand, responsible breeders here in Australia and overseas do and are health testing, and have done for a number of years now you can't tar everyone with the same brush 'Rain '..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertybrook Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 (edited) you should try it from a cataloguers point of view....you have everything set up with dogs in one order and then they change 2 or 3..gggrrrr yes I know what you mean EF, So many people I have spoken to wont change anything until they are officially made too, ;) Edited May 21, 2011 by Libertybrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I don't think the fight over the name (and the changes to the breed standard) is over yet...... I guess the Russians have stamped their name over everything hey. (They have also made huge changes to the Central Asian Breed Standard to the point where it can no longer be the same dog, unfortunately they did not change the breed name to Russian Mastiff as imo that would be more apt.) With the BRT because is a Russian breed I'd be interested to see how BRT breeders challenge the Breed Standard changes given ANKC/FCI policy agreement to follow the country of origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I got a showing grooming guide off a lovely breeder, Im surprised about the lack of health testing for the BRT. Not all breeders put their head in the sand, responsible breeders here in Australia and overseas do and are health testing, and have done for a number of years now you can't tar everyone with the same brush 'Rain '..... Im not taring everyone with the same brush, it is a shame that hardly any breeders in oz are health testing, i didnt say none were, not many are at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertybrook Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) I got a showing grooming guide off a lovely breeder, Im surprised about the lack of health testing for the BRT. Not all breeders put their head in the sand, responsible breeders here in Australia and overseas do and are health testing, and have done for a number of years now you can't tar everyone with the same brush 'Rain '..... Im not taring everyone with the same brush, it is a shame that hardly any breeders in oz are health testing, i didnt say none were, not many are at all. Sorry Rain, its just that when you have a rare breed and the some of the supposed 'experts' in the breed openly state that they dont health test because there is no need,the "there is nothing wrong with my dog" attitude, it makes me annoyed and frustrated, I also have Border Collies and we not only hip & elbow score we also DNA test for hereditary diseases,such as TNS, CEA, CL, not only is it the ethical thing to do its also the moral thing to do for the breed. its not a matter of finding out if anything is wrong, its making sure we dont create or worsen a problem if there is one . Edited May 22, 2011 by Libertybrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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