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Don't worry, people STILL want reds.

With the exception of people who have either a) obviously read my puppy notices in various places or b) gotten my number from the TCA, Inc....everybody, and I'm talking 100% of prospective purchasers wants red (tan as they call it) bitches.

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It's just like the Border Collie breeders who charge $1,000+ for a puppy that is a colour other than Black and White. They make my blood boil :o They are the same breed, who gives a flying rats clacker what colour they are :):) :D

Ooooo now I'm cranky :)

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It's just like the Border Collie breeders who charge $1,000+ for a puppy that is a colour other than Black and White. They make my blood boil :o They are the same breed, who gives a flying rats clacker what colour they are :):) :D

Ooooo now I'm cranky :)

Ditto with Dobes!!!

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Come on people - they aren't blue anymore, they are 'rare' silver!!!! :)

If people are paying $3000 for them, I'd expect them to sh*t silver.

eta .......and that's a poo patrol I'd gladly do everyday :o

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This came up in another thread recently, and a breeder argued (convincingly IMO) that they sell many of their pups for below cost, and recoup some of the money on the pups that are more popular (whether it be colour, coat etc). If this is the case then I dont see a problem.

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Just curious, would Chocolate Labradors fall into this category? when I was a kid there were only many shades of gold or black.

That's what came to my mind when I read this thread, even though it's about the Stafford. I wouldn't pay more for a Labrador just cos it's "chocolate" - I got mine as a rescue. She was probably poorly bred and sold for a packet by a BYB, but giving her a home after her foolish owners dumped her at the pound was all I was concerned about!

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This came up in another thread recently, and a breeder argued (convincingly IMO) that they sell many of their pups for below cost, and recoup some of the money on the pups that are more popular (whether it be colour, coat etc). If this is the case then I dont see a problem.

Most of what is advertised on DOL is complete litters of blue pups.

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The majority of the blue breeders do not health test their dogs or have even read the breed standard.

It is all just $$$$$ for them :laugh:

The best advice you can give to anyone who is thinking of buying a Stafford pup is to stay away from any breeder that has blue or blue lines or sells the entire litter with main papers. Also make sure that both parents are clear for L2-HGA and HC at the least.

If people stop buying these pups they will eventually stop breeding them.

I really wish the ANKC would not allow blues to be registered on mains, it would solve a lot of problems.

Leanne

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The majority of the blue breeders do not health test their dogs or have even read the breed standard.

It is all just $$$$$ for them :laugh:

The best advice you can give to anyone who is thinking of buying a Stafford pup is to stay away from any breeder that has blue or blue lines or sells the entire litter with main papers. Also make sure that both parents are clear for L2-HGA and HC at the least.

If people stop buying these pups they will eventually stop breeding them.

I really wish the ANKC would not allow blues to be registered on mains, it would solve a lot of problems.

Leanne

I don't totally agree with this.

There are a lot of breeders who's lines have blue in there somwhere and have blue pups pop up in litters... it's the ones who breed a crap dilute to another crap dilute and then charge the world for a pup that you need to avoid.

There are also some (minority) quality blues out there being shown and used in breeding programs so not everyone with a blue should be put into the unethical basket.

In my opinion the best advice in regards to buying a pup would be to make sure the litter was bred for a reason ie. to try to improve a breeders lines, that the parents are health tested, that an entire litter isn't sold on main papers, that they are priced within the breed average no matter what the colour or sex, and that puppy owners will have ongoing support for the life of the dog.

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Ask the blue breeders do they show and if you wanted to show can they help you learn how to train your dog for the ring. The majority of them won't be able to and you'll be lucky if you can find a dog in the first page of the pups pedigree, that has actually graced the ring.

Ask them about the breed standard and what they feel the strengths and weakness are in their dogs.

They'll feed you plenty of lines like, she's got a great personailty, she's a registered pedigree blue, carries blue lines, sleeps on our bed, big tank frame, built like a dog ( when it's a bitch ), growing into a huge female, producing deep blue offspring, great little mum.

Yes temperament is important, however a well bred dog is a complete package of type, temperament and soundness.

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I don't totally agree with this.

There are a lot of breeders who's lines have blue in there somwhere and have blue pups pop up in litters... it's the ones who breed a crap dilute to another crap dilute and then charge the world for a pup that you need to avoid.

There are also some (minority) quality blues out there being shown and used in breeding programs so not everyone with a blue should be put into the unethical basket.

In my opinion the best advice in regards to buying a pup would be to make sure the litter was bred for a reason ie. to try to improve a breeders lines, that the parents are health tested, that an entire litter isn't sold on main papers, that they are priced within the breed average no matter what the colour or sex, and that puppy owners will have ongoing support for the life of the dog.

That is why I said the majority. The ones that have a blue crop up every now and then normally do not advertise "blue/blue lines on main register" or charge you the earth for it.

My personal opinion is that a blue does not conform to the breed standard (is a dilute therefor can not have a black nose like the standard states a Stafford must have) and any ethical breeder who is trying to better the breed will not breed whole/majority of blue litters.

If someone wants a Stafford to show for doG sakes to do not buy a blue, it is hard enough with the amount of quality Staffords in the ring let alone with a blue.

Some will not share my opinons and that is fine, each to their own and all :laugh:

Leanne

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I don't know what the attraction is with the blue staffys. They are not pretty to look at. If I was getting one I would have a colour preference as well. It would be black. Would I pay extra for colour? no.

edit: crikey 71 puppy notices on DoL :laugh: That's insane.

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