Trisven13 Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share Posted December 26, 2009 That was my first question this morning once the results came back but the vet is sure it is not poisoning. Hope you get a diagnosis soon. Have they considered this? Rhabdomyolysis also known as: (Exertional Myopathy, Tying-up, Monday Morning Disease) This acute exertional myopathy of racing Greyhounds and working dogs is characterized by muscle ischemia secondary to exercise or excitement. Avascularity and lactic acidosis cause muscular lysis, myoglobin release, and a nephropathy. Clinical signs include muscle pain and swelling 24-72 hr after racing. Severe cases are characterized by stiffness, hyperpnea, collapse, myoglobinemia, and acute renal failure. Urinalysis reveals myoglobinuria; serum potassium, phosphorus, and muscle enzymes are increased. Treatment includes supportive care such as IV fluids, bicarbonate, body cooling, rest, and muscle relaxants (eg, diazepam). Prognosis depends on severity. Jana didn't say the name but I'd say that this is what she was talking about when she said that you see it sometime in greyhounds a few days after a big race. He hasn't done anything out of the ordinary though to have brought it on. He actually hadn't been walked at all for a few days before hand as we had been really busy with the gift-wrapping stall and me working nights. He was probably last walked about 4-5 nights before Christmas Day. Jana said that for the next 2 days no news is good news so I'm working on the basis that I haven't heard more so there has been no change. Its very quiet in our house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted December 26, 2009 Author Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) usually two or three days after overdoing it - dark tea/ blood urine, and very sore muscles along the saddle. Annie well I took Grover's urine to the pathologist today hoping to get more of an answer & yes dark tea/blood was his urine colour but I'm waiting for an answer so i will just wait. sorry this is Ventrish Trish's oh Steve didn't realize Trish was logged in. Edited December 26, 2009 by Trisven13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Best of luck with him, I hope you get a definite diagnosis and it's a treatable problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darien Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 I've just seen this thread Trish, I hope all is well with Grover? My thoughts are with you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbesotted Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 scary when you dont have a diagnosis. haemolytic anemia (IMHA) and Acute porphyria( unlikely in dogs i believe) are another two causes. it is also worthwhile ruling out systemic lupus erythematosus.. symptoms inlcude amongst many others -- rash and painless hematuria or proteinuria may often be the only presenting renal symptom. i am not a vet but have had dogs who have suffered weird illness that have taken a while to dx. sending many positive thoughts H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 That was my first question this morning once the results came back but the vet is sure it is not poisoning. Hope you get a diagnosis soon. Have they considered this? Rhabdomyolysis also known as: (Exertional Myopathy, Tying-up, Monday Morning Disease) This acute exertional myopathy of racing Greyhounds and working dogs is characterized by muscle ischemia secondary to exercise or excitement. Avascularity and lactic acidosis cause muscular lysis, myoglobin release, and a nephropathy. Clinical signs include muscle pain and swelling 24-72 hr after racing. Severe cases are characterized by stiffness, hyperpnea, collapse, myoglobinemia, and acute renal failure. Urinalysis reveals myoglobinuria; serum potassium, phosphorus, and muscle enzymes are increased. Treatment includes supportive care such as IV fluids, bicarbonate, body cooling, rest, and muscle relaxants (eg, diazepam). Prognosis depends on severity. Jana didn't say the name but I'd say that this is what she was talking about when she said that you see it sometime in greyhounds a few days after a big race. He hasn't done anything out of the ordinary though to have brought it on. He actually hadn't been walked at all for a few days before hand as we had been really busy with the gift-wrapping stall and me working nights. He was probably last walked about 4-5 nights before Christmas Day. Jana said that for the next 2 days no news is good news so I'm working on the basis that I haven't heard more so there has been no change. Its very quiet in our house Great to hear that no he seems to have stabilised. Hope he continues to improve. He may not have needed to have been walked for Rhabdomyolysis to occur. If he got overexcited or ran around in the heat in the preceeding days it could have happened. As you were working he may have been up to something you don't know about. From what I know about it, sometimes it can affect the heart muscle. I remember many years ago a dog was lost to it after doing two major shows in a few days with a lot of travelling between. He was very successful at both shows and it was hot but not extreme heat. Running around a show ring is nothing like a race and nothing seemed amiss until a 24 hours after the second show. He collapsed and was rushed from his home in the country to a Uni Vet clinic but the drive took several hours. I quizzed my vet at the time about it (he was a greyhound vet) and found out that in greyhounds it usually affects the back and thigh muscles but there can be a rare complication of break down of the heart muscle. The vet said he had heard of it in several breeds (hounds, gundogs and working dogs) and from a variety of causes and that most dogs survive it if the heart is not badly damaged by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Because of our nasty neighbour our dogs are not ever left outside when we aren't at home so he wouldn't have had the opportunity to run around - - lucky dog was inside in the AC!! We couldn't wait and rang the vet and he is slowly improving. His urine is heading back to normal but he is still going to need another couple of days on the drip. Steve is desperate to go and see him but it will just excite him too much. Everything is now pointing towards some kind of toxin from some kind of animal/insect. As snake is ruled out the most likely culprit is spider and, to be honest, I'm thinking poodlefan might be right and he has ingested the venom. Whatever has caused it, he has had a severe anaphylactic reaction. Each day is seeing improvement though so we're hopeful he will be home and safe soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbiemax71 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 That is great news Trisven I am so glad Grover is getting better, I hope is home very soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ams Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Trisven I'm so glad that he is continuing to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monah Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Zillions of hugs, kisses and love to the beautiful Grover. xxxxxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumosmum Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I am so pleased that Grover is improving. Hopefully this is a one off, and he will be back to full health and home very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trifecta Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Hi Trisven, so happy to read that Grover is progressing well & showing signs of improvement. Several years ago my elderly MIL was bitten by what is presumed a redback spider. It was Christmas Eve & we had taken her around to visit her niece where there was a bit of a family gathering. Everyone was sitting outside on outdoor furniture. In the middle of the night she rang to say she was in excruciating pain, was unable to feel her legs, had the sweats & was covered in a rash. Needless to say we rang the ambulance & that particular Christmas day was spent at the hospital. The Dr on duty, after running tests, thought MIL had ben bitten by a redback spider..... possibly it was lurking in the cushions or underneath the chair which was stored outside. Just wondering if Grover has come across a spider somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percyk Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 hope you get some happy conclusion to this xmas adventure just stopped by to check in and so glad to find that Grover has improved hope it keeps heading in the right direction and you can start the new year in happier moods nothing like a sick doggie to drag everyones heart down to the boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raelene Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 What a terrible time you guys have had! Sending healing vibes to Grover and hugs to you both. Hope Grover is back on his furry paws very quickly. Raelene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbesotted Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 steps in the right direction.. thank the dog gods. keep this up grover and you willbe home where you belong in no time h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'm thinking poodlefan might be right and he has ingested the venom. Whatever has caused it, he has had a severe anaphylactic reaction. You mean he may have eaten a spider?? Silly big bugger! Glad he's still gradually on the mend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfin Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Still got all fingers, toes and paws crossed for cousin Grover! Keep fighting, big guy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'm thinking poodlefan might be right and he has ingested the venom. Whatever has caused it, he has had a severe anaphylactic reaction. You mean he may have eaten a spider?? Silly big bugger! Glad he's still gradually on the mend. Well he's stupid enough to do it . Steve has sprayed everywhere for spiders and killed at least one white tail so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3shepherds Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 spider bites can be really nasty - and if he's eaten one... I'm so pleased he's slowly on the mend - hope he's home with you soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Silly dog hasn't licked any spider spray has he? T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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