Tiggy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Don't forget a Stafford . Short coat, little cute rosebud ears and they love their food to , plus we need more in the obedience ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Quit corrupting my thread :D . Ok back to the regularly scheduled program - I was doing some distraction work tonight with the Cuz on the ground and having her heel around it and I was getting some very nice work happening. Interesting I tried some start peg work with Ness - treat container was on the top of the front fence, I hadn't loaded up but she obviously could see it - little bugger wasn't losing attention at all. Kenzie wasn't quite so good she was having a bit of a sticky beak at things out the front. Edited December 18, 2009 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Interesting I tried some start peg work with Ness - treat container was on the top of the front fence, I hadn't loaded up but she obviously could see it - little bugger wasn't losing attention at all. So is this a case of her seeing whats on offer, so she decides to pay attention???? Yep I think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Interesting I tried some start peg work with Ness - treat container was on the top of the front fence, I hadn't loaded up but she obviously could see it - little bugger wasn't losing attention at all. So is this a case of her seeing whats on offer, so she decides to pay attention???? Yep I think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Probably. Although not sure if she wasn't a bit miffed because I had got cross at her for barking while I was doing some article work with Kenzie (although I did switch Ness out and do 2 articles with her - just metals in the pile so very simple). I was working them out on the front lawn with one dog behind the fence while the other was working and then swapping them over. What I don't get though is this - if its purely a matter of seeing what is on offer before deciding to work how is it any different to what I would do in a trial. She knows there is food/rewards stored in the bag and that she will get them when we finish up in the ring - most of the time . At training she always knows the is food on offer and yet I still struggle to get a 110% enthusiastic round at training never mind at a trial. I am going to be honest and say I don't think she gives me 100% at training so what I get at a trial isn't that far removed from her training performance - so what I need to work out is how to get her to give me 100% at training before I can even consider her passing in a trial. Oooops yes I am talking about my UD dog but she is my first and we are still learning . Edited December 18, 2009 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 at a trial. I am going to be honest and say I don't think she gives me 100% at training so what I get at a trial isn't that far removed from her training performance - so what I need to work out is how to get her to give me 100% at training before I can even consider her passing in a trial. Oooops yes I am talking about my UD dog but she is my first and we are still learning . Have you ever had a training session where she has got all the exercises right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hmmm good question Ptolomy - I'd have to have a long think about that. Quite possibly not - I couldn't think of one off the top of my head where its all been 100%. Slides sheepishly back out of the thread . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Not picking on you Ness - I am sure there are other out there wondering if there dogs are ready for CCD or Novice or Open. But the bottom line is - if you dog can't do all the exercises at training then you don't have a hope of passing a trial . If you have low standards at training then you also can't expect a great result at a trial - you know the saying - you get what you train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Now this one is directed to you Ness........ Going back to open - have you ever got a gees I just want to bottle it trial round out of Ness? Perhaps this is what you need to concerntrate on first before trying to get a similar UD round. You know my thoughts on what I think Ness is capable of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Yep and you also know I am going through this with the midget - trying to work out when she will be ready to enter and its not yet I can tell you that much. Going back to Open with Ness I have had a few rounds I would want to bottle - she has put together some absolute crackers for me. The ones that come to mind would all be towards the end of 2008 and early 2009. No guesses which rounds they would be and especially one particular round in 2008 . If I go back to that particular evening it still puts a smile on my face even now. Still not sure where she pulled that one from mind you . Edited December 18, 2009 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 But the bottom line is - if you dog can't do all the exercises at training then you don't have a hope of passing a trial And don't I know it! I'm thinking of holding off on entering any trials early in the year until I get Ruby's SFE and distractions sorted, and her heelwork is better. Which means we may never enter the ring again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 What I don't get though is this - if its purely a matter of seeing what is on offer before deciding to work how is it any different to what I would do in a trial. She knows there is food/rewards stored in the bag and that she will get them when we finish up in the ring - most of the time . At training she always knows the is food on offer and yet I still struggle to get a 110% enthusiastic round at training never mind at a trial. I am going to be honest and say I don't think she gives me 100% at training so what I get at a trial isn't that far removed from her training performance - so what I need to work out is how to get her to give me 100% at training before I can even consider her passing in a trial. Oooops yes I am talking about my UD dog but she is my first and we are still learning . I have a bit of a weird theory I have recently thought of... It occurred to me that Kivi is always more focused if I pop him a treat I have for something really easy before letting him off leash at the dog park. If I don't do that, he'll run off and have fun. If I do it, he'll run off and have fun, but he'll have an ear out for me and I barely need to whisper his name and he's glued himself to my thigh hanging off my every signal. I ALWAYS have food on me, so it's not like he needs to know I've got food. I very rarely ask him to do anything for free. He will spontaneously come and heel on leash even when I haven't given him a treat yet. So I got to thinking, maybe that initial treat is a primer, getting him into gear. Where one treat goes, other treats inevitably follow. Why wouldn't he get one treat and then anticipate more for the earning? He'll hang about for me, reminding me how well behaved he is and shouldn't he be rewarded. Perhaps that initial treat has become a signal to anticipate further treats, and thus the anticipation increases motivation and makes the whole training thing more rewarding than it is if I let him do something else highly rewarding and then try to cut in on it with treats. It's all kinda half-formed ideas, but I decided to try pairing the initial treat with a word to see if I could get the same effect without the food. That was a couple of weeks ago and then I promptly disappeared for two weeks, so I haven't tried it yet. Meanwhile, Erik has a word that means "We're about to play an outrageously fun game". Whenever I say "ready" his ears prick, his whole body tenses and his eyes bore into my skull as he waits for me to tell him what he needs to do for the outrageously fun game to commence. The game is half the time only moderately fun these days, but saying "ready" beforehand turns it into an outrageously fun game no matter how fun the game itself is. The power of this word is such that even when he's not in the mood for a game or excitedly trying to chase the neighbour's cat I can say "ready" and he'll go through the motions even if all he does for the game is bite and then run off to do something else. So from a purely behavioural perspective, what if you just need a primer? A really definitive way to tell her she's getting something incredible. Kivi is a really mellow dog with not a great deal of drive, but something I've noticed with him is that the more sure he is that he will be rewarded for something, the more enthusiastically he does it. He recalls at a gallop because for 18 months he's received roast meat, raw meat, liver or liver brownies whenever he hears that recall. I've been working on targeting for the last few weeks and every session he gets a little more enthusiastic getting his nose to the target. It's easy and he knows he's going to win. He's almost trotting at the moment, which surprises me, really. Targeting isn't very fun or exciting. Just gotta build up a powerful reward history to get that enthusiam. At least for him. For Erik, a way to tell him he's about to get an outrageously fun game, but it won't start until he does something for me. I guess dog parks are about the most distracting places we go, and we do half our training there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 If you think your dog is pretty good at the start peg here's a small exercise to try. Without food in your hand, heel up to a start peg, remove your lead and hand it to your 'judge'. Has your dog taken its attention off you yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 That exercise bedazzledx2 is essentially what we were doing Monday night at training. Ness is a disaster with it . Kenzie faired slightly better but her issue was when we started moving she lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 So what would happen if the judge started chatting to your dog or even gave her a pat?????? That exercise bedazzledx2 is essentially what we were doing Monday night at training. Ness is a disaster with it . Kenzie faired slightly better but her issue was when we started moving she lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 Hmmm not sure - I could probably bet your last dollar that Kenzie would go seeya I am out of her. Ness well no idea but she wouldn't leave the ring. This is a bit off topic for this thread but since there seems to be nothing really on topic about it - do people find there baby dogs seem to suddenly mature over night. I am not sure if its because we have just come back from a trip interstate but I am finding Kenzie all of a sudden hardly puts a paw out of place. She is just over 20 months. I was out doing some heelwork before in the yard and it was lovely. I got the box out to play some dog in a box and she didn't miss a trick. I could get her really razzed up and ask her to heel and she would give me the most wonderful gorgeous prancy heelwork. She was 100% solid on her turns and her positions were all square and there for me. She has had some really shitty stands but its almost as though in the last few weeks she has decided she can keep it together and stand square after all. Everything I was asking of her she was doing and with absolute ease. She has now even decided she can hold heel while I walk backwards without twisting her backend out. Its like the penny has dropped. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I'd have a word to the judge if they tried that! Ziggy is quite aloof with strangers and I suspect he would be very uncomortable as it would be out of context for him. If I trained him for it he would be fine. So what would happen if the judge started chatting to your dog or even gave her a pat?????? That exercise bedazzledx2 is essentially what we were doing Monday night at training. Ness is a disaster with it . Kenzie faired slightly better but her issue was when we started moving she lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Talking about training here not competing!!!!! Although I have had lots of Judges start chit chatting at the start peg though and have found its something we need to train for. :cool: Years ago I did have a judge try to pat my kelpie so she of course jumped up and broke her lanyard with her stop watch!!! Not a great start!!! I'd have a word to the judge if they tried that!Ziggy is quite aloof with strangers and I suspect he would be very uncomortable as it would be out of context for him. If I trained him for it he would be fine. So what would happen if the judge started chatting to your dog or even gave her a pat?????? That exercise bedazzledx2 is essentially what we were doing Monday night at training. Ness is a disaster with it . Kenzie faired slightly better but her issue was when we started moving she lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 One of the judges at the DWD comp on the weekend thought she would start clapping in time with the music while I had my baby in the ring. You should have seen the look she copped for that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Oh Ness!!! Expect that! In fact the audiences here are encouraged to do so!!!! More poofing One of the judges at the DWD comp on the weekend thought she would start clapping in time with the music while I had my baby in the ring. You should have seen the look she copped for that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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