Laila Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hi - we have a 15 week old Min Schn - he has been sleeping outside in his kennel since we got him at 8 weeks. In the last week he has started barking at night - (before that he was very quiet). I thought it may have been the full moon, but he started 'going off' before it even came up last night. I do walk him in the evening to give him some exercise but this doesn't seem to work. We have had to put him inside our garden shed. Does anyone have any suggestions/thoughts on what the best way is to get him out of barking at night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Let him inside - mini schnauzers are companion dogs and want to be with their family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravyk Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Let him inside - mini schnauzers are companion dogs and want to be with their family. I second this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnauzer Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 He is only a baby and needs to be inside with the family. Can you make an area where he can sleep inside? Perhaps teach him to sleep inside or in a crate if you don't want him in other areas of the house? You will need to toilet train him and get up during the night to take him out to where you want him to go. As Megan and Ravyk have both rightly said, minis are happiest inside with their family. I certainly would not be putting a 16 week old puppy in a shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 he's lonely and probably stressing out there alone. He's not a breed to be put out in the shed or left out in the backyard at all! Put him at least in a crate in the house at night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I'm concerned about him being in the "garden shed". Aside from anything other reason, garden sheds normally contain all the gardening pesticides. A dangerous place for puppy to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Your little dog is growing up, is learning that at night there are cats/rats/mice/shadows...all very exciting, and worth barking at! This will probably become louder and longer as he gets older. We have 4 dogs sleeping in various pats of our house- stops them from barking!! I also recommend he sleep in a laundry , or the house proper- in a crate. leaving a puppy outdoors unsupervised is a pretty sure fire way to teach it all sorts of bad habits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all that glitters Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 have you tried to tie him up on a chain ?? WHAT!!! the dog's already stressed, he will go beserk chained up the poor thing Your little dog is growing up, is learning that at night there are cats/rats/mice/shadows...all very exciting, and worth barking at! This will probably become louder and longer as he gets older.We have 4 dogs sleeping in various pats of our house- stops them from barking!! I also recommend he sleep in a laundry , or the house proper- in a crate. leaving a puppy outdoors unsupervised is a pretty sure fire way to teach it all sorts of bad habits Yep! and the last thing I want is to worry about a dog being locked outside at night and worrying they will start barking and you have to get up to tell them off (I hate getting up in the night). And if you don't, well you may have complaints from people who are trying to sleep like everyone else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laila Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm concerned about him being in the "garden shed". Aside from anything other reason, garden sheds normally contain all the gardening pesticides. A dangerous place for puppy to be. Hi - thank you all for your advice - our Garden shed is new (and empty) and he was the only one in it - we had his kennel, water food etc in there with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnauzer Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm concerned about him being in the "garden shed". Aside from anything other reason, garden sheds normally contain all the gardening pesticides. A dangerous place for puppy to be. Hi - thank you all for your advice - our Garden shed is new (and empty) and he was the only one in it - we had his kennel, water food etc in there with him. Poor puppy - he is barking because he is frightened being on his own in a shed. Is there a reason he can't be inside with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laila Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm concerned about him being in the "garden shed". Aside from anything other reason, garden sheds normally contain all the gardening pesticides. A dangerous place for puppy to be. Hi - thank you all for your advice - our Garden shed is new (and empty) and he was the only one in it - we had his kennel, water food etc in there with him. Poor puppy - he is barking because he is frightened being on his own in a shed. Is there a reason he can't be inside with you? He can be inside with us... he just isn't properly housetrained yet and I dont really want to be cleaning up wee/poo all the time. The times we do have him inside with us (before we all go to bed) I always take him out regularly to go to the toilet but he occasionally has an accident. I'm worried that he wont ever learn to go outside to the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 House training a puppy does mean cleaning up after him until he learns to go outside reliably and also means you getting up during the night to take him out. Just putting him outside is not going to house train him. Put the work in, make the effort and you will have a terrific little dog. Dump him outside because its all too hard and you will end up with far more problems as you are already seeing. And agree with everyone else baby puppies should be inside for their safety and mental well being not dumped outside for convenience sake. Did you not consider these things before buying a young puppy they do take work and training to become well adjusted trained adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) laila- Mags has posted good advice. There are plenty of housetraining threads on DOL... and yes, it IS work- but if done diligently, there should not be mess to clean A baby puppy is not responsible for taking itself out until it has been taught. The owner is the one responsible for whatever mess the pup makes inside. You want to avoid mess? then follow the housetraining rules 24/7 until puppy learns. You cannot afford to stop & start.. as pups need consistencey and repetition. Some info for you HERE and HERE and HERE Edited December 6, 2009 by persephone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnauzer Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm concerned about him being in the "garden shed". Aside from anything other reason, garden sheds normally contain all the gardening pesticides. A dangerous place for puppy to be. Hi - thank you all for your advice - our Garden shed is new (and empty) and he was the only one in it - we had his kennel, water food etc in there with him. Poor puppy - he is barking because he is frightened being on his own in a shed. Is there a reason he can't be inside with you? He can be inside with us... he just isn't properly housetrained yet and I dont really want to be cleaning up wee/poo all the time. The times we do have him inside with us (before we all go to bed) I always take him out regularly to go to the toilet but he occasionally has an accident. I'm worried that he wont ever learn to go outside to the toilet. Your pup will never be house trained unless you make the effort to train him. We all need to clean up wee/poo with pups. Does he have direct access to outside ie a doggy door? House training includes getting up during the night and taking him out to his "spot" and teaching him a simple command. I tell my dogs "outside wee". Take him out on a regular basis, after playing, when he wakes up, straight after eating etc. when he sniffs around and tell him the command. Schnauzers learn very quickly, want to please and are very clean dogs. I also use this method for rescue dogs and it works very well. Put in the work and your puppy will be able to sleep inside with the family and will not be a barker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Keeping a puppy outside until it is toilet trained is completely counter productive because you won't toilet train until it is inside! I agree too that a schnauzer should be an indoor dog. But as I suggested in another thread, night barking and unusual behaviour at night can also be a sign of early onset night blindness which in some breeds can be a symptom of PRA so it may be worth having this checked at some stage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 (edited) Do some reading on the impact of sensory deprivation on growing pups. Locking a baby puppy in a pitch black, metal shed because it barks and you can't be bothered to toilet train it is pretty extreme. Canberra was cold last week. My dog were rugged a couple of nights and they sleep inside. It's possible a baby puppy that can't regulate its body temperature was freezing. It is also more than possible that the pup is stress barking so I suggest you ponder what impact socially isolating it in a such an environment might be having on it. I'm not exaggerating when I say that studies suggest this kind of isolation can have permament long term effects on a dog's mental health. You could solve all these problems by buying a crate, putting it inside and confining the pup to it at night. You'd have to get up if the pup needed to go to the toilet but with a bit of effort the pup would be sleeping through. You bought a pup bred for generations as a companion. You also bought a breed not unknown for barking. I'd suggest that some further reflection on how to meet the social, physical and mental needs of this pup is required because its only going to become more demanding of your time and effort as it grows. A dog the size of a Miniature Schnauzer will not cope well with Canberra winters and really needs to sleep inside, even if only crated. Sorry if I sound harsh but I find the idea of depriving a young, social animal of sensory experience and company for your convenience pretty sad. If I were the breeder of this pup, I'd be horrified frankly. If you want this pup to grow into a well mannered, stable adult dog then you need to be putting in real effort now. You only get one chance at this. If you have not read the training advice on this website then I commend it to you. Edited December 6, 2009 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnauzer Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Do some reading on the impact of sensory deprivation on growing pups. Locking a baby puppy in a pitch black, metal shed because it barks and you can't be bothered to toilet train it is pretty extreme. Canberra was cold last week. My dog were rugged a couple of nights and they sleep inside. It's possible a baby puppy that can't regulate its body temperature was freezing. It is also more than possible that the pup is stress barking so I suggest you ponder what impact socially isolating it in a such an environment might be having on it. I'm not exaggerating when I say that studies suggest this kind of isolation can have permament long term effects on a dog's mental health. You could solve all these problems by buying a crate, putting it inside and confining the pup to it at night. You'd have to get up if the pup needed to go to the toilet but with a bit of effort the pup would be sleeping through. You bought a pup bred for generations as a companion. You also bought a breed not unknown for barking. I'd suggest that some further reflection on how to meet the social, physical and mental needs of this pup is required because its only going to become more demanding of your time and effort as it grows. A dog the size of a Miniature Schnauzer will not cope well with Canberra winters anreally needs to sleep inside, even if only crated. Sorry if I sound harsh but I find the idea of depriving a young, social animal of sensory experience and company for your convenience pretty sad. If I were the breeder of this pup, I'd be horrified frankly. If you want this pup to grow into a well mannered, stable adult dog then you need to be putting in real effort now. You only get one chance at this. If you have not read the training advice on this website then I commend it to you. Well said Poodlefan. If you want a well socialised, toilet trained dog that is obedient, and a pure joy to have around, it is up to you and your family - his life and future are in your hands. If you would like help, pm me and I will put you in touch with someone in Canberra experienced with the breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Do some reading on the impact of sensory deprivation on growing pups. Locking a baby puppy in a pitch black, metal shed because it barks and you can't be bothered to toilet train it is pretty extreme. Canberra was cold last week. My dog were rugged a couple of nights and they sleep inside. It's possible a baby puppy that can't regulate its body temperature was freezing. It is also more than possible that the pup is stress barking so I suggest you ponder what impact socially isolating it in a such an environment might be having on it. I'm not exaggerating when I say that studies suggest this kind of isolation can have permament long term effects on a dog's mental health. You could solve all these problems by buying a crate, putting it inside and confining the pup to it at night. You'd have to get up if the pup needed to go to the toilet but with a bit of effort the pup would be sleeping through. You bought a pup bred for generations as a companion. You also bought a breed not unknown for barking. I'd suggest that some further reflection on how to meet the social, physical and mental needs of this pup is required because its only going to become more demanding of your time and effort as it grows. A dog the size of a Miniature Schnauzer will not cope well with Canberra winters and really needs to sleep inside, even if only crated. Sorry if I sound harsh but I find the idea of depriving a young, social animal of sensory experience and company for your convenience pretty sad. If I were the breeder of this pup, I'd be horrified frankly. If you want this pup to grow into a well mannered, stable adult dog then you need to be putting in real effort now. You only get one chance at this. If you have not read the training advice on this website then I commend it to you. Do some reading on the impact of sensory deprivation on growing pups. Locking a baby puppy in a pitch black, metal shed because it barks and you can't be bothered to toilet train it is pretty extreme. Canberra was cold last week. My dog were rugged a couple of nights and they sleep inside. It's possible a baby puppy that can't regulate its body temperature was freezing. It is also more than possible that the pup is stress barking so I suggest you ponder what impact socially isolating it in a such an environment might be having on it. I'm not exaggerating when I say that studies suggest this kind of isolation can have permament long term effects on a dog's mental health. You could solve all these problems by buying a crate, putting it inside and confining the pup to it at night. You'd have to get up if the pup needed to go to the toilet but with a bit of effort the pup would be sleeping through. You bought a pup bred for generations as a companion. You also bought a breed not unknown for barking. I'd suggest that some further reflection on how to meet the social, physical and mental needs of this pup is required because its only going to become more demanding of your time and effort as it grows. A dog the size of a Miniature Schnauzer will not cope well with Canberra winters anreally needs to sleep inside, even if only crated. Sorry if I sound harsh but I find the idea of depriving a young, social animal of sensory experience and company for your convenience pretty sad. If I were the breeder of this pup, I'd be horrified frankly. If you want this pup to grow into a well mannered, stable adult dog then you need to be putting in real effort now. You only get one chance at this. If you have not read the training advice on this website then I commend it to you. Well said Poodlefan. If you want a well socialised, toilet trained dog that is obedient, and a pure joy to have around, it is up to you and your family - his life and future are in your hands. If you would like help, pm me and I will put you in touch with someone in Canberra experienced with the breed. I agree whole-heartedly with these responses. The Mini Schnauzer is an indoor dog who loves being close to the family. Please don't lock him in the outside shed. We went through toilet training with Aubrey which involved getting up every 3 hours to take her outside to the toilet and give her lots of praise and cuddles when she went. This contiued for about 3 weeks and then went down to once a night taking her out. They are very intelligent dogs and Aubrey was house-trainied within 5 - 6 weeks. As they get older they can also 'hold it' a lot longer. Our two rarely get up in the night to go to the toilet and have been known to sleep in until 10am! Please take the great advice from people on this forum - the toilet training really doesn't take that long and you will have a much happier little pup at night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 He can be inside with us... he just isn't properly housetrained yet and I dont really want to be cleaning up wee/poo all the time. The times we do have him inside with us (before we all go to bed) I always take him out regularly to go to the toilet but he occasionally has an accident. I'm worried that he wont ever learn to go outside to the toilet. He certainly won't if he spends 1/2 his life locked outside and allowed to pee where ever he wants (outside). Buy a crate and google crate training. Poor little mite, I hope the breeder didn't sell him to you knowing you were going to lock him outside all night, he's a companion dog and needs to be with his people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shells Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) Definately buy a crate and google crate training. You can get cheap crates from www.dealsdirect.com.au if you dont have much money. Also if you are worried about cleaning up maybe put some baby gates up and confine him to a part of the house that has easy to clean floors. If you were toilet training a toddler you would expect accidents and the same goes for pups. Take him outside regularly, treat him when he goes and as for night time you are probably going to need a trip outside once or twice but it wont be forever and that would have to be better than listening to a dog bark half the night. Also if you are interested maybe invest in a dog door http://www.piginmud.com.au/joomla/pet-patio-doors/index.php there is a place in Mitchell who will install them for you http://yellowpages.com.au/act/mitchell/can...63-listing.html I was getting up twice a night in June/July this time of year is much better toilet training weather Edited December 7, 2009 by shells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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