pie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Amypie - I am not sure how everybody else teaches it but I taught it initially by luring the dog back behind my leg and closing my leg up into heel position and C/Ting. I also conditioned it initially with the dog next to a wall so they couldn't sit squiffy. There is some video here of me teaching Kenz at 12 weeks - the setting up at heel stuff is towards the end of the clip from about the 1min 40 mark. Here is a bit of the next stage where you hold the treat and give the dog the command - Thanks Ness, awwww look how little Kenzie was! I have tried that method before but she wants the food so badly she just jumps up to try and get it and doesn't actually sit, or if she does sit she flings her back end around first. Didn't think to try it against a wall though. I had a giggle in the second video when you put the treat behind your back and Ness appeared form the sidelines to try and eat it :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Amypie just watched your rear cross sit video with K - are you marking the moment you cross behind and he turns his head in the correct direction? I thought that was the idea of that particular exercise unless I have it confused? I was marking it with 'good', then treating - is that right? Been a while since I've done it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) :D amypie the joys of having a foodie dog. Hmmm Ptolomy might have some ideas - could you try a lower value food reward? The other thing which can help with lining up is teaching them the phone book/pivoting trick. Do you know the one I am talking about. Same one that leopuppy posted with Zara the other day. You could shape that. About K and the RC yeah think that sounds right - I have only started experiment with them with Kenz. Edited February 12, 2010 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Yeah might try it with her kibble and see if that lowers the stimulation level a bit :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Amypie wrote: Thanks Ness, awwww look how little Kenzie was! She was tiny and sooo fluffy and feral. Now she is slightly bigger, not quite as fluffy but still quite as feral :D . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 amypie the joys of having a foodie dog. Hmmm Ptolomy might have some ideas - could you try a lower value food reward? The other thing which can help with lining up is teaching them the phone book/pivoting trick. Do you know the one I am talking about. Same one that leopuppy posted with Zara the other day. You could shape that. Yep, I tried the beginnings on that but she had no clue what I was on about. I tried it with Kyzer too but he just kept offering me other tricks so he was madly rolling over on the book waiting for a click and I gave up :D I might look into it more and try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 BUT I do want to get CCD done this year....I'm hoping to be able to walk in a straight line before 2011! Resort to red wine - I did :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'm hoping to be able to walk in a straight line before 2011! We have the same goal BUT I do want to get CCD done this year....I'm hoping to be able to walk in a straight line before 2011! Resort to red wine - I did I like your thinking :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~*Shell*~ Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Shell I had a similar issue with Kenzie and her stand for ages. Sue guru showed me how to resolve it and I won't say it happened overnight but it eventually happened. In my case I went back to making sure I had a solid verbal cue on the behavior. So we went back to me giving my new verbal cue then a short delay and using my shitty hand signal and clicking and rewarding. Kept doing that for a while until I had a new solid verbal cue. Then you can attach the new hand signal once the dog is going down on the verbal only. ETA. Have you taught Zero a fold back drop - so from the stand into a drop without sitting first? Zero knows a foldback drop - if he's very motivated, he'll do the fold back. If he's being lazy, he sits and then drops. When I have something of high value to him, he'll hit the deck really quickly with next to no motivation, when he's heeling, he is a lot less motivated about it, even when he looks very motivated. Perhaps I need to jackpot the drop more? He's probably cottoned to the fact that when we're heeling, he generally has to get back up and continue heeling with me. He's pretty smart like that. I probably just have to make it more rewarding for him to be down on the ground. [Zero's having real problems understanding visual signals at the moment (aka, I haven't found the right way to teach him obviously!). Without an exaggerated signal, he totally refuses to drop, even with a voice command and he seems to totally have forgotten his stand last week. Any ideas? I've been working on change of position with him but it just doesn't seem to be carrying over to his heeling. He'll do it when we're doing slow heeling (the stand, the drop still needs a huge signal) but any faster and he just sits unless I exaggerate it. Try doing it for his dinner - so break his dinner into 3 bowls and if he drops with a reduced signal - then he gets 1/3 of his meal - if he doesn't drop - the dinner goes back on the bench and you walk away for 30 seconds. Make sure your signal is consistent and that you are also giving a verbal. With his dinner, he drops like a champion. Very fast, very motivated. In fact, when I'm giving him the signal from in front of him, he does it quickly with a tiny signal but it's when we're heeling he seems to have trouble. I'll have to do some experiments this weekend and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Thanks for the hints. I had read that article from SG... thanks for reminding me about it! The only concern I have is that if I interrupt her stays when she vocalises she'll find it rewarding because she gets to move! Kind of a catch 22. Ness is right though - I doubt she'd shut down. They were bred to bark while working so it's hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 No video camera and no friends ;) (close by with video cameras :p ) is my excuse. But I am enjoying this thread. Ptolomy, I think I already said I was inspired by the line-up/pivoting/find heel work with Cider to really get stuck in with Rory. (Also used a pivot using a brick paver that came up somewhere - doing it with the clicker, and Rory is now doing that pretty well after a few goes. Find heel is still a work in progress, but he's certainly getting better at moving his rear while pivoting on his front feet.) So thank you all - and keep it going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I have at least a couple of vids from tonight, although my sister was videoing for me and did a terrible job so I'll have to upload them after dinner and see how they look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Isn't she supposed to be a photography whizz or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Isn't she supposed to be a photography whizz or something? She is, and is doing a visual arts degree too - the lazy bugger was sitting on the ground and refused to stand up when Micha walked in front of the camera and blocked the view, then zoomed in on my face because she thought it was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 ;) I have a PVC weave pole that I stick in the ground, then a mini tripod on the camera that I stick into the top of the weave pole. Works quite well actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Ok so two videos from tonight; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAY7tYbTbWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l6-6DNqKuA Excuse my sister swearing and Micha blocking the view for most of both vids Daisy did a very nice front in the second vid after her recall but of course you can't see it Edited February 12, 2010 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Your second vid says it's private All I could focus on was that merry beagle butt wagging away, she's a happy little camper isn't she! I think you're doing so well Huski! (Although I know nothing about obedience ) EFS ETA: Speaking of spelling, every time I see the title of this thread I flinch Edited February 12, 2010 by amypie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Ok so two videos from tonight;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAY7tYbTbWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l6-6DNqKuA Excuse my sister swearing and Micha blocking the view for most of both vids Daisy did a very nice front in the second vid after her recall but of course you can't see it It says your 2nd video is private Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 BUT I do want to get CCD done this year....I'm hoping to be able to walk in a straight line before 2011! Resort to red wine - I did I'm not sure how this will help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Your second vid says it's private All I could focus on was that merry beagle butt wagging away, she's a happy little camper isn't she! I think you're doing so well Huski! (Although I know nothing about obedience ) EFS ETA: Speaking of spelling, every time I see the title of this thread I flinch Yeah she does enjoy herself, which is what I'm after It says your 2nd video is private Thanks for letting me know guys, all fixed now, it's stupid iMovie, it automatically makes my vids private and I have no idea why as it didn't do it on my old mac but it does on the new one and I have no idea how to change it ETA: Ignore the shitty start of the second vid, no idea what Daisy was doing For all those with noisy/barky dogs, watch Daisy at 1.40 Edited February 12, 2010 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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