Toddler Attacked By Dog In Hair Salon

[Akayla]

The last paragraph is what I'm talking about. Kids are innocent and education about being around animals is very imoirtant. On the other hand, I don't support muzzling as this is cruel for dogs that are not clearly vicious or dangerous. In this matter: Husky v Toddler- I don't think the child is at fault. From the source I got was the father and two staff that were there that day, after they heard the child start crying) they all turned to look and saw the child on the floor, all fours facing away from the husky, while the husky while lying down behind her chewing on a treat with his down. Apparently, the mother wa NOT next to the child at the time.

Muzzling is far far from cruel. I have chosen to do it from time to time and as long as the dog is trained to except it there is no distress. (a good muzzle though not those cheap fabric things!). Have you stopped to think about the fact that children do fall do get rough as you say and what happens next time? If the dog isnt muzzled kept seperate or anything like that what is to provent this happening again? Its not just at their home its in a public place.

Of course they are distressed! Its a terrible thing to go through! I really do feel for them. BUT what are they going to do if they get the dog back?

So who are we supposed to believe the friends of the family of the child or the friends of the salon owner? You are probably a great person but you are just text on here.

[Akayla]

After some thought Im going to step out of the conversation for a while. I just feel Im going to upset you too much and believe it or not that is not my intention.

Anyway I hope the issue with the dog is resolved as quickly as possible.

[loveseverydog]

i could say the child shouldn't have been in the shop and then we go round and round again getting nowhere.

Just when are you (and others) going to GET IT?

A hairdressing salon is open for business to cut the hair of adult and junior humans - i.e., CHILDREN!

Having children there to have their hair cut is how they make their money to open the doors and stay in business!

THAT IS THEIR CORE BUSINESS AND CHILDREN HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE THERE IN SAFETY.

A hairdressing salon is not the local DOGGY DAY CARE CENTRE - nor is it the DOGGY LUNCH ROOM!

:cool: (steam is now coming off this keyboard!)

Souff

edited for grammar

yes because hairdressers are all about safety with their scissors, spiky objects, hot presses, crimpers, bleach etc.. Sorry but a child shouldnt be allowed to roam around a hairdressers period because it isnt a safe area.. What if the kid decided that cup of bleach next to an old lady getting her hair done might be yoghurt..

A person has every right to take their pets to work if they wish, its their workplace, possibly even their home, the same rights as a mother has to taking her own kids to work to her own business. Pets in the workplace has been a slowly growing fad as it lowers stress levels, many high end companies like google allow and promote people on bringing their pets to work (so long as they behave) to increase working abilities. There is no black and white in a business, you cant say something doesnt belong in the workplace just because you think it doesn't, there is actually a day celebrated overseas which is take your pet to work day in june annually.

i love what you've said here. You sound like a smart reasonable person.

[slk]

As a mother of a toddler, I am appalled at the "support" this dog is given, the blame placed on parents and toddler by some and the downplaying of the incident.

This dog is reported to have bitten a child, which required medical treatment. I don't care if the sirens were on or not, it doesn't change the fact the dog bit.

I take my toddler (nearly 3) the hairdressers with me all the time. It's safe. Because he's given clear boundaries and obviously some of us can control our children more than others can control their dogs. And in my opinion - hairdressers are for HUMANS. Dog groomers are for DOGS. I don't take my child to the hairdressers to teach them how to socialise with dogs.

I get so peeved with dog owners who think that we should all love their dogs as much as them, their dogs are taken to places where people (and children) are. My daughter was once nipped by a dog in a coffee shop. She wasn't even looking at it - she was sitting drinking her drink and it came under her chair from behind and nipped the back of her leg. Since when do dogs go to coffee shops. And hairdressers.

Seriously, love that we all love our dogs, but keep them in appropriate places.

Dogs today have almost become accessories. When I was a kid, the dog was what was found in the backyard, or in the park. Not the sodding shops !

[asal]

Poor little girl.

Just to let you know, that little was at home on the same is now fine. i've seen a photo of her after she was treated, and you coudn't see a sign of any marks on her face.

FYI: is she was "attacked" or mauled by a big dof, her injuries would've been very visible on the news.

it puzzled me no end, the headlines said "toddler attacked by dog" panned to a photo of the mauled victum and there is a split lip? ive seen worse after a altercation with our conceret path?

wondered then if she had fallen and not bitten. still wonder.

ive seen bites, n they do a lot more than one split.

I had a dob leap to protect her puppies. the kid had a full set of her front teeth printed on his forehead. and boy he was screaming blue murder.

she hit him so hard with her closed mouth every tooth was clearly intented on his forehead, it was frightening to see and realise how much damage she could have done if she had opened her mouth.

was she a potential killer?

never took the chance. after that all doors were not only shut, like that one had been till the kid had opened it after being told DO NOT GO NEAR that door. there after all were locked when visitors arrived. kids cannot be trusted, part of the territory to push boundaries beyond the limits.

such a sad case for all concerned

[Clyde]

As a mother of a toddler, I am appalled at the "support" this dog is given, the blame placed on parents and toddler by some and the downplaying of the incident.

This dog is reported to have bitten a child, which required medical treatment. I don't care if the sirens were on or not, it doesn't change the fact the dog bit.

I take my toddler (nearly 3) the hairdressers with me all the time. It's safe. Because he's given clear boundaries and obviously some of us can control our children more than others can control their dogs. And in my opinion - hairdressers are for HUMANS. Dog groomers are for DOGS. I don't take my child to the hairdressers to teach them how to socialise with dogs.

I get so peeved with dog owners who think that we should all love their dogs as much as them, their dogs are taken to places where people (and children) are. My daughter was once nipped by a dog in a coffee shop. She wasn't even looking at it - she was sitting drinking her drink and it came under her chair from behind and nipped the back of her leg. Since when do dogs go to coffee shops. And hairdressers.

Seriously, love that we all love our dogs, but keep them in appropriate places.

Dogs today have almost become accessories. When I was a kid, the dog was what was found in the backyard, or in the park. Not the sodding shops !

Exactly!!

[Nannas]

it puzzled me no end, the headlines said "toddler attacked by dog" panned to a photo of the mauled victum and there is a split lip? ive seen worse after a altercation with our conceret path?

wondered then if she had fallen and not bitten. still wonder.

ive seen bites, n they do a lot more than one split.

I had a dob leap to protect her puppies. the kid had a full set of her front teeth printed on his forehead. and boy he was screaming blue murder.

she hit him so hard with her closed mouth every tooth was clearly intented on his forehead, it was frightening to see and realise how much damage she could have done if she had opened her mouth.

was she a potential killer?

never took the chance. after that all doors were not only shut, like that one had been till the kid had opened it after being told DO NOT GO NEAR that door. there after all were locked when visitors arrived. kids cannot be trusted, part of the territory to push boundaries beyond the limits.

such a sad case for all concerned

Guess we have to remember 'attacked' in the eyes of the law doesn't necessarliy have to be a bite.

""A dog attack can include any incident where a dog rushes at, attacks, bites, harasses or chases any person or animal, whether or not any injury is caused to the animal or person.""

I guess media can call it what they like under those terms.

Also years ago when my son was about 9yo we found a cat with kittens,,(in my car of all places). As my son went to get in it launched at him, hitting him squarely in the face. It never scratched OR bit him, but left him with a bleeding nose and fat lip.

IF a cat can do that to a 9yo boy, then imagine the blood a dog could draw on a toddler by jumping and head butting her.

My GSDX has done it to me a few times when she was younger. I would bend to pat as she jumped and bang, fats lips for eveyone.

[Diablo]

That father is going to beat himself up for what happened for the rest of his life and if she is worth her salt, so will his partner.

Both my children are runners. My youngest, almost four, is not quite out of that habit yet. They are skinny gazelles who can nick off down the aisle of Blockbuster and be out the door before you know it.

That child should not have been left unattended. Watching from the corner of your eye in the mirror as your hair is being cut is not adequate supervision in a work place possessing such dangerous things as stated in previous posts. I have witnessed a toddler pick up a tray of bleach and sink her FACE in it while the mother was having her head shampooed. Off to emergency with wet hair went that mother!

I feel for the little girl, I feel for the father and also the dog, who should have been left alone to eat in peace and not be put in such a situation.

I agree

Dog's deserve the right to their own personal space and too many times, people just can't resist the temptation not to leave other people's dogs alone. Public place or not, you can't interfere with another person...........you can't walk into a hair salon and fondle a hairdresser that takes your fancy.........why should anyone believe they have the rights to fondle someone elses dog then scream if the dog reacts???. I was taught from a very early age that we had our own dog to pat and to leave other peoples dogs alone.

Edited December 19, 2009 by Diablo

[gareth]

you can't interfere with another person...........you can't walk into a hair salon and fondle a hairdresser that takes your fancy.........why should anyone believe they have the rights to fondle someone elses dog then scream if the dog reacts???.

I fondle other people's dogs all the time. I would in no way place it in the same category as fondling the dog's owner!

[Diablo]

As a mother of a toddler, I am appalled at the "support" this dog is given, the blame placed on parents and toddler by some and the downplaying of the incident.

This dog is reported to have bitten a child, which required medical treatment. I don't care if the sirens were on or not, it doesn't change the fact the dog bit.

I take my toddler (nearly 3) the hairdressers with me all the time. It's safe. Because he's given clear boundaries and obviously some of us can control our children more than others can control their dogs. And in my opinion - hairdressers are for HUMANS. Dog groomers are for DOGS. I don't take my child to the hairdressers to teach them how to socialise with dogs.

I get so peeved with dog owners who think that we should all love their dogs as much as them, their dogs are taken to places where people (and children) are. My daughter was once nipped by a dog in a coffee shop. She wasn't even looking at it - she was sitting drinking her drink and it came under her chair from behind and nipped the back of her leg. Since when do dogs go to coffee shops. And hairdressers.

Seriously, love that we all love our dogs, but keep them in appropriate places.

Dogs today have almost become accessories. When I was a kid, the dog was what was found in the backyard, or in the park. Not the sodding shops !

I don't think what happened to your child in the coffee shop Slk, is what happened in the hair salon where the dog approached the child to bite her???. A dog biting an innocent child doesn't automatically deem the dog's at fault. It's up to the parents to teach a child how to behave around other peoples dogs like I was taught to leave them alone.

[huski]

As a mother of a toddler, I am appalled at the "support" this dog is given, the blame placed on parents and toddler by some and the downplaying of the incident.

This dog is reported to have bitten a child, which required medical treatment. I don't care if the sirens were on or not, it doesn't change the fact the dog bit.

I take my toddler (nearly 3) the hairdressers with me all the time. It's safe. Because he's given clear boundaries and obviously some of us can control our children more than others can control their dogs. And in my opinion - hairdressers are for HUMANS. Dog groomers are for DOGS. I don't take my child to the hairdressers to teach them how to socialise with dogs.

I get so peeved with dog owners who think that we should all love their dogs as much as them, their dogs are taken to places where people (and children) are. My daughter was once nipped by a dog in a coffee shop. She wasn't even looking at it - she was sitting drinking her drink and it came under her chair from behind and nipped the back of her leg. Since when do dogs go to coffee shops. And hairdressers.

Seriously, love that we all love our dogs, but keep them in appropriate places.

Dogs today have almost become accessories. When I was a kid, the dog was what was found in the backyard, or in the park. Not the sodding shops !

And by always blaming the dog or the dog's owner, you remove any responsibility that parents have to appropriately supervise their kids around dogs.

No, I'm not saying that every dog attack on a child is the fault of the parent for not adequately supervising their children or that that is definitely the case in the OP but they often are. Just because your daughter has been bitten by a dog unprovoked, does not change the fact that many children have been bitten because they have been antagonising the dog and/or their parents failed to supervise them properly.

I am gobsmacked that you can't see how important it is for adults to supervise their children around dogs - don't you know how many children are attacked due to lack of supervision on behalf of the parents Take the example Winterpaws gave about the dog whose owners had it PTS because it bit their child - when the child had shoved a crayon up the dog's ear. Surely you can see that attack is not the fault of the dog?

ETA: honestly you're post just reminds me of the irresponsible parents who I mentioned before, who bought their kids to my house and watched as their child unlocked my back door to go and pat my dog while he was eating a bone. That they couldn't see the danger in that situation, and failed to act with any responsibility and failed to supervise their child properly is exactly the attitude in parents that leads to dog attacks. Blaming the dog and failing to take any responsibility is exactly what leads to more dog attacks, that could have been completely preventable.

BTW - I'm happy to see responsible dog owners taking their dogs out and about when appropriate. Nothing worse than a dog whose nothing but a backyard orniment. I can't believe you think dogs shouldn't be taken anywhere that people or children go Geez, my dogs would never leave the yard in that case!

Edited December 19, 2009 by huski

[Diablo]

you can't interfere with another person...........you can't walk into a hair salon and fondle a hairdresser that takes your fancy.........why should anyone believe they have the rights to fondle someone elses dog then scream if the dog reacts???.

I fondle other people's dogs all the time. I would in no way place it in the same category as fondling the dog's owner!

Then you fondle someone else's dog uninvited to do so at your own risk

[huski]

IMO - one way to help prevent dog attacks is to have a well socialised and well trained dog. Yes, that involves having a dog who has been exposed to a range of experiences and places and has been taught how to behave appropriately in those places. When I get a pup, I take them out and about to as many different places as possible as part of their key socialisation period. Dogs who have had poor socialisation are more likely to have behaviourial problems as adults. A poorly socialised dog is more likely to respond in a way we consider inappropriate when faced with situations they are uncomfortable with. They are more likely to be stressed and fearful. There's no way on earth that I would buy a puppy, chuck it in the backyard and only take it out to the local park (but then again, that's somewhere people and children frequent, so perhaps that's not allowed, either?). My dogs behave well when taken in public because they have been well trained and well socialised. I see so many dogs who have not been adequately socialised as pups who can't handle the most basic of things, and you can bet that they are more likely to bite than my dogs.

[Akayla]

In regards to training I agree with Huski.

[Diablo]

Speaking of dogs in work places, a friend of ours had a mechanical workshop and a Doberman bitch they took to work each day. The dog had her bed in the corner of the workshop that she would lie on and was chained up at various times through the day to prevent her escaping out the door.

One day, a customer of theirs who's car was in the workshop on the hoist arrived with his 3 or 4 year old daughter to pick up his car. Seeing the car still on the hoist and wanting to enquire with the mechanic working on it as to when it would be ready to go, with his daughter, they lifted the chain across the doorway that had as sign attached, "strictly no admittance, all enquiries to office" and proceeded into the workshop. The little girl spotted the dog yelling out "oh doggy" she ran directly towards it. The Dobe sprang up and lunged aggressively at the approaching child reaching the end of it's chain about an inch from the little girl's face, obviously a scary scene and moment for everyone involved.

The child's father yelled and carried on like a pork chop blaming the dog's owner for his daughter's "near miss". The point was, he shouldn't have been in the workshop and ignored the signs, and secondly, he should have taught his daughter how to behave around strange dogs and had better parental control of her in the first place. You can't always safeguard a dog against parental irresponsibility.

[asal]

you can't interfere with another person...........you can't walk into a hair salon and fondle a hairdresser that takes your fancy.........why should anyone believe they have the rights to fondle someone elses dog then scream if the dog reacts???.

I fondle other people's dogs all the time. I would in no way place it in the same category as fondling the dog's owner!

Then you fondle someone else's dog uninvited to do so at your own risk

Rule one when i was a child.

YOU NEVER TOUCH someone's dog, unless they say you can!

whatever happened to good manners. n apart from good manners, who knows what you could be spreading from dog to dog if you pet every dog you see while you are out?

as well not all dogs think everyone is their new best friend.

our first chihuahua chippie, i couldnt belive the behavour of total strangers. we would be out shopiing with him in either a handbag or carried in our arms and total stangers would walk up and even without making eye contact, start patting him on the head.

his neck was taking the shock, the inpact was so much that it went right through him into my arm as well my arm would be aching by the time we got back to the car.

his poor little head would be slammed into his shoulders, over and over again. lucky he didnt have a molera.

he took it in good humour for about 2 years. till one day he decided enough is enough. the next hand that came at him was greeted with a full mouth of snarling teeth. he had had enough.

embarrassing as it was, he took up "smiling" at all and sundry, and we were finally left to do our shoppingor where ever else we went in public, in peace.

Edited December 19, 2009 by asal

[Diablo]

you can't interfere with another person...........you can't walk into a hair salon and fondle a hairdresser that takes your fancy.........why should anyone believe they have the rights to fondle someone elses dog then scream if the dog reacts???.

I fondle other people's dogs all the time. I would in no way place it in the same category as fondling the dog's owner!

Then you fondle someone else's dog uninvited to do so at your own risk ;)

Rule one when i was a child.

YOU NEVER TOUCH someone's dog, unless they say you can!

whatever happened to good manners.

as well not all dogs think everyone is their new best friend.

our first chihuahua chippie, i couldnt belive the behavour of total strangers. we would be out shopiing with him in either a handbag or carried in our arms and total stangers would walk up and even without making eye contact, start patting him on the head.

his neck was taking the shock, the inpact was so much that it went right through him into my arm as well my arm would be aching by the time we got back to the car.

his poor little head would be slammed into his shoulders, over and over again. lucky he didnt have a molera.

he took it in good humour for about 2 years. till one day he decided enough is enough. the next hand that came at him was greeted with a full mouth of snarling teeth. he had had enough.

embarrassing as it was, he took up "smiling" at all and sundry, and we were finally left to do our shopping in peace.

That's exactly what I was taught as a child and still applies to this day with me The amount of times on walks I have had kids charge up to us wanting to pat my dog where I have had to tell then in a stern voice NO NO you can't pat my dog........my boy tolorates strangers and I wouldn't take the chance with strange kids. I have watched these kids approach the next dog walker in the same fashion and their parents just allow them to do it???

Edited December 19, 2009 by Diablo

[gareth]

you can't interfere with another person...........you can't walk into a hair salon and fondle a hairdresser that takes your fancy.........why should anyone believe they have the rights to fondle someone elses dog then scream if the dog reacts???.

I fondle other people's dogs all the time. I would in no way place it in the same category as fondling the dog's owner!

Then you fondle someone else's dog uninvited to do so at your own risk

You missed the point.

As I stated, I would love to know how you can equate fondling a strange dog to interfering with/fondling a strange person

[Diablo]

you can't interfere with another person...........you can't walk into a hair salon and fondle a hairdresser that takes your fancy.........why should anyone believe they have the rights to fondle someone elses dog then scream if the dog reacts???.

I fondle other people's dogs all the time. I would in no way place it in the same category as fondling the dog's owner!

Then you fondle someone else's dog uninvited to do so at your own risk

You missed the point.

As I stated, I would love to know how you can equate fondling a strange dog to interfering with/fondling a strange person

I made that clear to begin with Gareth..........dog's deserve their personal space plus...........they are someone elses belonging. Do you see a nice car parked on the side of the road and jump in to see how it feels behind the wheel???........of course not and the same applies with someone else's dog which is not for the general public's pleasure.

[Akayla]

No Diablo but if you trip and fall onto someones property and it injures you they may be liable.

Dogs having their own space fine, dog approaching someone not fine. Lets not forget that the dog was just walking around not restrained in anyway. If the kid went and opened a door or anything like that ok sure we could argue that the owner had taken reasonable steps but that doesnt seem to be the case.