Iams Dog Food - Large Breed

[Winterpaws]

Does anyone else feed Iams Large Breed

A few weeks ago Tina got really bad explosive diarhea (sp?). 2 days later Charlie and Henry got it as well. It was really horrid and explosive.

I put it down to a tummy bug and for the last two weeks they have been on chicken and rice whilst their stools went back to normal. They've been perfect for the last week.

Two nights ago I started to gradually introduce the dry food again and last night poor Tina had explosive diarhhea again.

So it has to be the dry food that is causing the upset stomach and obviously they will not be getting anymore. The only dog not affected has been Pepe and he is on a different feed as he is overweight and so is on Jenny Craig for dogs

Just wondering if anyone else has had a problem and whether we might have got a bad batch. The pet store is great and we can return the unused portion for a refund but I would never have expected this reaction from a premium food.

[Guest Ams]

Does anyone else feed Iams Large Breed

A few weeks ago Tina got really bad explosive diarhea (sp?). 2 days later Charlie and Henry got it as well. It was really horrid and explosive.

I put it down to a tummy bug and for the last two weeks they have been on chicken and rice whilst their stools went back to normal. They've been perfect for the last week.

Two nights ago I started to gradually introduce the dry food again and last night poor Tina had explosive diarhhea again.

So it has to be the dry food that is causing the upset stomach and obviously they will not be getting anymore. The only dog not affected has been Pepe and he is on a different feed as he is overweight and so is on Jenny Craig for dogs

Just wondering if anyone else has had a problem and whether we might have got a bad batch. The pet store is great and we can return the unused portion for a refund but I would never have expected this reaction from a premium food.

Can they get the unused portion tested to make sure someone hasn't messed with the bag? ;) for the furbies.

[Sankari]

I had the same thing happen with exactly the same food. I too wondered if it was the food, i changed to a different one and she didnt get it. I put it down to the food.

[Kelly_Louise]

I used to feed Iams Large breed and was really happy with it. Sasha liked it and has a sensitive belly, but seemed to do well on it.

I've changed over to Advance of late, and she is thriving on that now and it keeps her tummy issues at bey, so we'll stick with that. I find it very similar to Iams.

If I was in a financial bind though and budget conscious - I would definitely go back to Iams without a worry.

Sorry your crew have had such a bad reaction... I would think it just a bad batch or maybe it could be something else that's triggered them? Hope they improve soon though ;) - and thankfully the shop are doing the right thing too. ;)

[poodlefan]

What's the source of fibre in it WP?

[Winterpaws]

What's the source of fibre in it WP?

I had to google PF as I have thrown out bag as we store any food in a feed bin. Ingredient list:

Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural source of Glucosamine), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal, Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Flax Meal, Caramel, Choline Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Dried Chicken Cartilage (Natural source of Glucosamine), Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, Rosemary Extract.

The store has said they wil accept a return without the bag and it gets sent back to Iams.

I can understand if you swap foods and the consistency of the stools changes slightly whilst they adjust to it. But this was violent explosive and noisy ;)

[poodlefan]

What's the source of fibre in it WP?

I had to google PF as I have thrown out bag as we store any food in a feed bin. Ingredient list:

Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural source of Glucosamine), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal, Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Flax Meal, Caramel, Choline Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Dried Chicken Cartilage (Natural source of Glucosamine), Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, Rosemary Extract.

The store has said they wil accept a return without the bag and it gets sent back to Iams.

I can understand if you swap foods and the consistency of the stools changes slightly whilst they adjust to it. But this was violent explosive and noisy ;)

I have read that some dogs react strongly to beet pulp when it is first introduced. If that's a novel fibre source for them, that may be the culprit.

[Winterpaws]

What's the source of fibre in it WP?

I had to google PF as I have thrown out bag as we store any food in a feed bin. Ingredient list:

Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural source of Glucosamine), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal, Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Flax Meal, Caramel, Choline Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Dried Chicken Cartilage (Natural source of Glucosamine), Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, Rosemary Extract.

The store has said they wil accept a return without the bag and it gets sent back to Iams.

I can understand if you swap foods and the consistency of the stools changes slightly whilst they adjust to it. But this was violent explosive and noisy ;)

I have read that some dogs react strongly to beet pulp when it is first introduced. If that's a novel fibre source for them, that may be the culprit.

We normally feed Nutrience but PetStock no longer supplies it. I just checked the ingredient list and it contains beet pulp also?

[Kelpie-i]

Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural source of Glucosamine), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal, Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Flax Meal, Caramel, Choline Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Dried Chicken Cartilage (Natural source of Glucosamine), Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, Rosemary Extract.

Corn Meal is a filler: Is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the stach and germ and the separaton of the bran

Chicken By-Product Meal: Made of clean ground and rendered parts of slaughtered poultry including necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines. Sometimes feathers and beaks make their way into the mix.

Dried Beet Pulp: The dried residue from sugar beet, added for fibre but primarily is sugar.

Chicken Fat: Added to make the food more enticing to your dog. Fats from chicken come from a process called *Rendering. To find out how this fat is obtained, read further:

The Rendering Process:

Obtained from leftovers from the slaughterhouses which can also include various euthanised animals such as dogs and cats. Renderers will usually combine all ingredients into one vat and do not normally check to see what is being combined. This means that whilst most of the leftovers might be from chicken, it could also include other animals such as road kill, dead pets, their collars, styrofome boxes and plastic bags. The rendering machine slowly grinds the entire mess in huge vats and cooked at 104 to 132 degrees celcius for up to 1 hour. The mixture is centrifuged (spun very quickly) and the grease/fat rises to the top and is removed from the mixture. The fat becomes the source of the animal fat in most pet foods.

Source: "Foods pets die for" written by Ann M Martin.

It's no wonder these foods are making our dogs sick!!

Edited November 20, 2009 by Kelpie-i

[sterlingsilver]

Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal (Natural source of Glucosamine), Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal, Chicken Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Flax Meal, Caramel, Choline Chloride, Fish Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), Dried Chicken Cartilage (Natural source of Glucosamine), Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), DL-Methionine, L-Tryptophan, Rosemary Extract.

Corn Meal is a filler: Is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the stach and germ and the separaton of the bran

Chicken By-Product Meal: Made of clean ground and rendered parts of slaughtered poultry including necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines. Sometimes feathers and beaks make their way into the mix.

Dried Beet Pulp: The dried residue from sugar beet, added for fibre but primarily is sugar.

Chicken Fat: Added to make the food more enticing to your dog. Fats from chicken come from a process called *Rendering. To find out how this fat is obtained, read further:

The Rendering Process:

Obtained from leftovers from the slaughterhouses which can also include various euthanised animals such as dogs and cats. Renderers will usually combine all ingredients into one vat and do not normally check to see what is being combined. This means that whilst most of the leftovers might be from chicken, it could also include other animals such as road kill, dead pets, their collars, styrofome boxes and plastic bags. The rendering machine slowly grinds the entire mess in huge vats and cooked at 104 to 132 degrees celcius for up to 1 hour. The mixture is centrifuged (spun very quickly) and the grease/fat rises to the top and is removed from the mixture. The fat becomes the source of the animal fat in most pet foods.

Source: "Foods pets die for" written by Ann M Martin.

It's no wonder these foods are making our dogs sick!!

Thankyou.That is very informative.

Is that process for rendering only in the USA or is it the same here in Australia.

Where is IAMS manufactured now?

[Kelpie-i]

I believe Iams (who also manufacture Euk) are manufactured in the US and imported to Australia. I am not sure of the rendering laws here in Australia but in America, it is not a regulated industry. The only country that has strict regulations on rendering animal meat is Japan.

[Sagittarian]

It's no wonder these foods are making our dogs sick!!

The vast majority of dogs fed commercial diets do extremely well on commercial dry foods. There is so much "information" out there - some of it very biased and inflammatory - that one has to make a decision to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.

At the end of the day it makes common sense to know the ingredients of anything you feed and what it provides biologically for your pet. Sometimes we don't know our pet isn't doing as well as they could be until we try something else. And what suits one pet may very well not suit their brother or sister.

While I understand that any forum is a place to express an opinion, I do wish that a bit more thought would go into the airing of some opinions that might unnecessarily make a reader believe they are harming the very creature they love.

Winterpaws - do talk to Iams - feel free to pm me and I can give you a direct number of someone who will assist you in either returning food for testing or help you find a solution.

Sags

[luvsdogs]

I wouldn't be feeding a food that had corn as the 2nd ingredient. It's extremely hard to find a food that doesn't have some sort of corn product without paying through the roof for it. It's the same with beet pulp.

I used to feed Iams large breed to my son's dog years ago. I believe they changed their ingredients in recent times.

Edited November 22, 2009 by luvsdogs

[Sagittarian]

None of the Artemis products contain beet pulp. The Osopure Adult is under $100 and the 18kg Power good value as well.