" What Can We Do"

[sandgrubber]

Actually, the Doggo is a breed largely created by one person and he had fighting in mind. I can't speak to 'all Doggos', but I think some of them still have quite a bit of fight left in them. As for the fila, it's a breed I'm glad is banned. So long as the breed standard calls for extreme hostility toward strangers, which should be shown at an early age, and specifies that the dog should not be faulted for biting the judge at a dog show, I think the breed has no place in Australia. It's guarding function also included tracking down runaway slaves in the old days. Kidnapping of children for money is big business in Latin America, and there's a role for fierce guard dogs. Not here. (To verify, try Google and go for official breed sites and major breeder websites).

Stacy mentioned on the previous page that it shouldnt be about breeds names being mentioned.

I do agree with you to a certain extent, but in relation to Australia our bsl is can be looked at in either two ways, we are a commonwealth country, therefore we adopted their dog bsl.

the other way is that BSL in Australia is nearly entirely about Pitbulls.

of these dogs: American Pitbull

Presa Canario

Japanese Tosa

Brazilian Fila

Argentinian Doggo.

How many of you can honestly say you have ever knowingly saw any off the other dogs on this list in a pure representation?

I can probly answer it for you; None.

non of the other dogs exist in this country and if they do they are kept pretty underground.

personally i have been lucky enough to have known two Filas, but they are long gone.

and if they tell you its only dogs with a fighting history??

what a load of crap, Filas are a personal protection dog, never have been a fighting dog.

Doggos are used for hog hunting as a pack dog, not a one on one fighting dog.

Canario? protection dog, if used for fighting only a very small % of idiots.

so that leaves us with the TOSA and the APBT, both are dogs with fighting history wont argue there.

so Bsl is in Australia largely about the Apbt. they are the only dog that average joe thinks he knows anything about, if you asked them what a "canary dog" was hed probly reply with something about some dog that sings, or ask what a fila is hed say its a shoe.

but every average joe thinks they know something about pitbulls. they think they know that they are the size of a large GSD with the head of a lion and the body of a werewolf, and your average pitbull lives on a steady diet of horse's heads', and weak local children who cant get away, and their owners "Bait" them with the local maltese/shitzu population.

people beleive what they want to believe.

I got a 10 out of 10 for Lying when i went to puppy pre school and anounced i owned an APBT and a few people laughed because she was just a "Red Staffy" 9 out of ten people couldnt pick a pitbull out of a dog line up if it licked them in the face.

Edited March 26, 2010 by sandgrubber

[chrisjc]

we will have to dissagree on this one. i happen to know a man who is now living in mexico , but was brought up in argentina whos family are very good family friends of the Nore's family who are responsible for oringionating the breed and they still breed the same type of dog. My friend owns two but has owned numerous amounts of them over the years, as a pack hunting boar dog, the Nore's family never ever develeped the dogo for the purpose of fighting , they are a pig dog, and they are they best pig dog around in their purest form.

im not too big on what some show breeders website says their history is if i have a genuine conection with the first people that bred them.

yes they probly have been used for fighting but so have labbys.

Both Mr nore's sons are now ageing but are still striving to better the bred and i believe they are trying to pass it on to their kids too.

Ive been on Fila breeders sites who claim they were bred for fighting.

Ive been on Amstaff sites who claim they have no fighting history or connection to the APBT, ever.

next time i have a chat to my friend i will ask if he minds joining up and giving his version of the dogos history and put up his personal pics, with himself and Mr Nore's two sons, spanning over thirty five years of hunting with them.

[sandgrubber]

posted twice ... DOLF and Mozilla aren't getting along. Sorry.

Edited March 27, 2010 by sandgrubber

[sandgrubber]

My guess is we will continue to disagree. . . that's fine. I don't place a lot of weight in "I know someone who knows someone" sort of evidence. But, apart from having lived in Brasil and met a few Filas (at a distance) I can claim no expertise here . . . other than trying to read and seeking what appear to be balanced sources.

Here's my source on the Dogo http://www.bulldoginformation.com/dogo-argentino.html . . . I'd guess it's fairly neutral. I've lived in Brazil, and have enountered Filas in the flesh . . . but only at a distance, and have done a fair amount of reading on Fila websites. I

btw, if you want to evaluate the source you might like to read the APBT description on www.bulldoginformation.com . . . I'd say it's a sympathetic but realistic . . .

I don't think I said the Dogo was used for fighting . . . but that the creator of the breed had fighting in mind. My sources agree with you . . . it's primary use is for dangerous game, particularly wild boar. The Fila is used more as a guard dog from what I saw in Brazil, but they say it's also used to protect cattle from jaguars and was at one time used to track runaway slaves.

we will have to dissagree on this one. i happen to know a man who is now living in mexico , but was brought up in argentina whos family are very good family friends of the Nore's family who are responsible for oringionating the breed and they still breed the same type of dog. My friend owns two but has owned numerous amounts of them over the years, as a pack hunting boar dog, the Nore's family never ever develeped the dogo for the purpose of fighting , they are a pig dog, and they are they best pig dog around in their purest form.

im not too big on what some show breeders website says their history is if i have a genuine conection with the first people that bred them.

yes they probly have been used for fighting but so have labbys.

Both Mr nore's sons are now ageing but are still striving to better the bred and i believe they are trying to pass it on to their kids too.

Ive been on Fila breeders sites who claim they were bred for fighting.

Ive been on Amstaff sites who claim they have no fighting history or connection to the APBT, ever.

next time i have a chat to my friend i will ask if he minds joining up and giving his version of the dogos history and put up his personal pics, with himself and Mr Nore's two sons, spanning over thirty five years of hunting with them.

Edited March 27, 2010 by sandgrubber

[justin19801]

Actually, the Doggo is a breed largely created by one person and he had fighting in mind. I can't speak to 'all Doggos', but I think some of them still have quite a bit of fight left in them. As for the fila, it's a breed I'm glad is banned. So long as the breed standard calls for extreme hostility toward strangers, which should be shown at an early age, and specifies that the dog should not be faulted for biting the judge at a dog show, I think the breed has no place in Australia. It's guarding function also included tracking down runaway slaves in the old days. Kidnapping of children for money is big business in Latin America, and there's a role for fierce guard dogs. Not here. (To verify, try Google and go for official breed sites and major breeder websites).

Stacy mentioned on the previous page that it shouldnt be about breeds names being mentioned.

I do agree with you to a certain extent, but in relation to Australia our bsl is can be looked at in either two ways, we are a commonwealth country, therefore we adopted their dog bsl.

the other way is that BSL in Australia is nearly entirely about Pitbulls.

of these dogs: American Pitbull

Presa Canario

Japanese Tosa

Brazilian Fila

Argentinian Doggo.

How many of you can honestly say you have ever knowingly saw any off the other dogs on this list in a pure representation?

I can probly answer it for you; None.

non of the other dogs exist in this country and if they do they are kept pretty underground.

personally i have been lucky enough to have known two Filas, but they are long gone.

and if they tell you its only dogs with a fighting history??

what a load of crap, Filas are a personal protection dog, never have been a fighting dog.

Doggos are used for hog hunting as a pack dog, not a one on one fighting dog.

Canario? protection dog, if used for fighting only a very small % of idiots.

so that leaves us with the TOSA and the APBT, both are dogs with fighting history wont argue there.

so Bsl is in Australia largely about the Apbt. they are the only dog that average joe thinks he knows anything about, if you asked them what a "canary dog" was hed probly reply with something about some dog that sings, or ask what a fila is hed say its a shoe.

but every average joe thinks they know something about pitbulls. they think they know that they are the size of a large GSD with the head of a lion and the body of a werewolf, and your average pitbull lives on a steady diet of horse's heads', and weak local children who cant get away, and their owners "Bait" them with the local maltese/shitzu population.

people beleive what they want to believe.

I got a 10 out of 10 for Lying when i went to puppy pre school and anounced i owned an APBT and a few people laughed because she was just a "Red Staffy" 9 out of ten people couldnt pick a pitbull out of a dog line up if it licked them in the face.

Dogos and Filas are also abused by dogfighters. They are still rare breeds and show up as the harmless family pets they are in dog shows worldwide. If you were serious about protecting society from such awful beasts you would be calling for the banning of breeds which have killed or show up in Aussie attack stats, APBTs do neither, so it is a concern what your gameplan is? Stds are totally irrelevant for any breed as most are simply family pets and quickly lose the std, see working BCs with show lines.

[sandgrubber]

Dogos and Filas are also abused by dogfighters. They are still rare breeds and show up as the harmless family pets they are in dog shows worldwide. If you were serious about protecting society from such awful beasts you would be calling for the banning of breeds which have killed or show up in Aussie attack stats, APBTs do neither, so it is a concern what your gameplan is? Stds are totally irrelevant for any breed as most are simply family pets and quickly lose the std, see working BCs with show lines.

Sorry. No gameplan. No game. Sometimes drunk. Sometimes cynical. High IQ and like word games, but not good at politics. Basically sincere. I don't like BSL, but I also detest denial, and I keep smelling rat in those who say their breeds are great with children, etc. [what about strangers and unfamiliar dogs?]. I do think the pressure needs to be kept on, and directed effectively, to select dogs, regardless of breed, to end out with less DA and less HA behaviour in the dog population. And I think unspeakable things, preferably including desexing, should be done to people who use dogs to satisfy their own desire to see blood flow.

Edited March 28, 2010 by sandgrubber

[chrisjc]

sound paranoid to me.