Azzachazza Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Hi all. A bit stressed out as i will be adopting a little dutch shepherd soon, but cant seem to find a solution as to where to put her. The problem is i already have a 10 month old kelpie (who lives in the backyard) who is hypo to say the least! I dont wanna leave her alone with the kelpie as i dont think it would be safe. I can just imagine them playing. Dont want the little girl to get hurt. I was thinking maybe to have a sectioned off area, a crate, or leaving the pup inside untill strong enough. Some way for them to live safely together? Any ideas or input from those who may have had similar situations would be much appreciated. Maybe they will play nicely once the pup arrives? Maybe im stressing for nothing? hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ams Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Hi all. A bit stressed out as i will be adopting a little dutch shepherd soon, but cant seem to find a solution as to where to put her. The problem is i already have a 10 month old kelpie (who lives in the backyard) who is hypo to say the least! I dont wanna leave her alone with the kelpie as i dont think it would be safe. I can just imagine them playing. Dont want the little girl to get hurt. I was thinking maybe to have a sectioned off area, a crate, or leaving the pup inside untill strong enough. Some way for them to live safely together? Any ideas or input from those who may have had similar situations would be much appreciated. Maybe they will play nicely once the pup arrives? Maybe im stressing for nothing? hmmmm... I'd suggest inside for the new pup at present and have fully supervised play time when pup is settled. Puppy can't be crated all day but certainly for night and a time out area it is a good idea. Maybe the laundry or bathroom would be suitable if you have to leave her alone for lengthy periods until she is big enough to look after herself with the rest. Good luck and don't forget pics when she arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I've never heard of a Dutch Shepherd - just had to google them Yes a good idea to seperate them until she is bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Pups do not belong locked in the house all day, they need sunshine, fresh air and something to look at other than the inside of your home. I would suggest investing the money in a good quality dog run, with a shelter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Start the pup as you mean to go on. A secure run with shade, a kennel and plenty of boredom busting toys would be the way to go. As SBT has said, growing pups need fresh air, sunlight and room to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) I'd be more worried about the kelpie getting hurt! Do you have experience with Malinois or Dutch Shepherds? They're little hard arses I wouldnt panic And if you think the Kelpie is hypo ... make sure you work this dog or it will be beyond a handfull to say the least! They are rare and hard workers how did you end up with one!? separate in a run at the beginning and I would frankly be keeping the dog with you for the first few months to make sure it bonds to you properly instead of the other dog. Start training in drive with it early and I would be making a beeline to the nearest Schutzhund club ETA here is a breeder, if you need help I would be calling them first before average obedience clubs or trainers. Few people have experience with Malinois and dutchies here in Australia http://www.ck9sas.com.au/ see who they recommend down your way Edited November 18, 2009 by Nekhbet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzachazza Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 hi all. thanx for the suggestions, will take all into account. Was lucky to pick her up from my girlfriend and will surely have pics up when she arrives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilly Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 We have a fence down the middle of the yard (coming from the house to the back fence) and this had broken the yard into 2. The side the pup has got had a clothes line, lawn, concrete paths, dog house and garden so the garden was fenced off (so I would continue to have a garden) and the clothes line had a tarp put over the top to create additional shade over the lawn area. There is a gate between the two area as well as access from the house to each of the areas. We did build a puppy pen on the back verandah for the pup but ended up not using it very often - mainly when i want to confine a dog for a short period of time when I am home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilly Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 (edited) Ooops - double post Edited November 19, 2009 by Tilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all that glitters Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I kept my pup indoors until she was used to being alone (ie no more screaming) then I let her outside. She spent the first 5 weeks I had her indoors 5 days a week while we were at work, and she was more than fine. Sometimes it's not as easy as making a run and putting a puppy in it when you have neighbors and want to keep noise to a minimum. Not a lot of puppies will be silent when you put them outside initially! I took the safe route and started mine off inside. It was fine, and I would do it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I'd be more worried about the kelpie getting hurt! Do you have experience with Malinois or Dutch Shepherds? They're little hard arses I wouldnt panic And if you think the Kelpie is hypo ... make sure you work this dog or it will be beyond a handfull to say the least! They are rare and hard workers how did you end up with one!?separate in a run at the beginning and I would frankly be keeping the dog with you for the first few months to make sure it bonds to you properly instead of the other dog. Start training in drive with it early and I would be making a beeline to the nearest Schutzhund club ETA here is a breeder, if you need help I would be calling them first before average obedience clubs or trainers. Few people have experience with Malinois and dutchies here in Australia http://www.ck9sas.com.au/ see who they recommend down your way Dutch Shepherds are not an ANKC breed. Are they planning on becoming a recognised breed in Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvsdogs Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I would have supervised sessions every day with Nala so they become used to each other & when the pup grows a bit & you are sure they get on, then they should be able to be left in the yard. I'd make sure she is properly socialised to all & everything she will encounter for the rest of her life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Dutch Shepherds are not an ANKC breed. Are they planning on becoming a recognised breed in Australia? they are very rare and I dont see them every being for showing. THey are predominantly a working breed hence why when the OP said she's getting it as a pet I was a bit taken back. I would never recommend a dutchie as an average pet. The dogs are recognised in many other countries, but I think a lot of breeders would be loathe to hand out proper papers even if they were ANKC recognised (which happens with a few working breeders) so morons do not go out and perpetuate their lines and misbreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all that glitters Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Just googled the breed, holy moley yeah good luck, that's one heck of a working breed!!!!! Not a dog to be left in the yard while you're at work and just given a walk and training session, that dog needs a heck of a daily working routine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Dutch Shepherds are not an ANKC breed. Are they planning on becoming a recognised breed in Australia? they are very rare and I dont see them every being for showing. THey are predominantly a working breed hence why when the OP said she's getting it as a pet I was a bit taken back. I would never recommend a dutchie as an average pet. The dogs are recognised in many other countries, but I think a lot of breeders would be loathe to hand out proper papers even if they were ANKC recognised (which happens with a few working breeders) so morons do not go out and perpetuate their lines and misbreed. The problem with any new breed that is not properly recognised by the ANKC is that anyone can breed something that looks like them and call them that breed. The Dutch Shepherds the OP is talking about may be purebred from imports recognised overseas but how hard would it be for someone to jump on the bandwagon and market brindle crossbred GSD as "rare" Dutch Shepherds. Particularly as puppies it can be very hard to identify a breed if it does not have official papers proving it is a particular breed. If the puppy grows up to not in fact be the breed it is supposed to be the buyer has no comeback whatsoever. Malinois are very rarely shown but they are still an ANKC breed and anyone who buys one to work, can at least be assured of what they are getting even if it is with limit register papers. ANKC registration is not just about showing it is about identification. I am always sceptical of anyone breeding a "rare" breed that is not ANKC officially recognised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) few people will even know what a dutch shepherd is let alone just buy one for the sake of it or as just a pet. If you are in the know you go to the right breeder and get what you want there as well as see the parents which you should do anyway. Some people are very antsy over their dogs lines. And some associations, like the GSDC, do not agree with or condone bitework. The ANKC does very little to help or promote pure working animals or sports like Schutzhund/IPO so many people throw up their hands and go whats the point. Malinois are very rarely shown but they are still an ANKC breed and anyone who buys one to work, can at least be assured of what they are getting even if it is with limit register papers I know a few people with paperless Mals but can prattle off the dogs pedigree. Not for breeding just for Sch/work. Doesnt make a scrap of difference to them and didnt decrease the price of the Mal. ETA there is a breeder offering ANKC reg for their puppies Edited November 24, 2009 by Nekhbet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 (edited) Contact Steve Austin from http://www.petresortsaustralia.com.au/ he has a nice KNPV line malinois...and knows a little bit about dog training Steve from K9 Force has some great programs and training packages available as well. Is your dutchie from KNPV or FCI lines? Edited December 26, 2009 by Jeff Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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