Nekhbet Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 and now knowing they eat rabit heads I'm terrified of the lil critters! the noise of 4 ferrets fighting over a rabbit head is a thing to behold ... I think you would need therapy I cant see them ever doing that for a carrot .. I think they would bite me on principle if I even considered it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDR Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 and now knowing they eat rabit heads I'm terrified of the lil critters! the noise of 4 ferrets fighting over a rabbit head is a thing to behold ... I think you would need therapy I like the look of ferrets, they are quite cute, don't get me wrong, but yes, intensive therapy .... My chook fear extends to pretty much all birds. I went to feed the birds (lovely peach faces and the like) for my MIL and got locked in the avery. I've not been the same since! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim'sMum Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 People really like to fight here dont they. Read the posts, no one ever said it was ideal, just that a dog can thrive on it, I am sure everyones dogs get something that is not ideal for them its not a perfect world. What rot! I'm sorry but there is no irrefutable evidence that a dog will 'thrive' on a vegetarian diet. They are not vegetarian animals. Why would someone even contemplate changing an animals natural diet just because they don't consume meat themselves? It's utterly selfish and is basically an anal act of anthropomorphic idiocy. Any normal person would feed their animal what it has been designed and has evolved (over many millenium of evolution) to eat. To do otherwise is NOT normal. I have no patience with nutjobs and fruitloops and if you look under my avatar you will notice that 'political correctness' is not my preferred stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Dante was fed this died (Sorry, couldn't resist the silly typo joke) I forgot about the Royal Canine version, if I had to go vego for the dogs I'd go with one like that from an established premium dog food company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Raw Meat, tripe, bone, organ are filled with the enzymes needed to properly digest and assimilate nutrients. Raw meat diets have fed the order Carnivore for 60 million years. What he said My 5 Vizslas are about to sit down to half a raw possum each,all organs intact and some green tripe. Yesterday it was a whole chicken each. Tomorrow,who knows,will see what I can get. Maybe a bowl of ox heart as they have had some bone the last 2 days and I hardly ever go 3 days with bony meals. My point is,it is'nt hard . I work on 80% meat,10 % bone,10% organs of which 5 % is liver. I took in a litter brother to one of my boys at 14 months,he had terrible skin allerigies and was allergic to everything,his brother I raised did'nt,he had been raised on dry and canned food,of various kinds. All dermatology tests his original owners did said he was allergic to all meats and dust and blah blah,they were going to put him down. Nup,we will have him I said. Well within about 6 weeks this dog looked normal and has never had a skin issue since,he is nearly 9 and asleep next to me after running 1 1/2 hours at the beach. IMO feeding a dog a vegetarian diet is abuse! Tell the lady at work that! I wish that were the same for us, we did raw for over a year to try and combat allergies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Thomas, Do you feed only meat, no veg at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomas Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Thomas,Do you feed only meat, no veg at all? I feed 80% meat,10 % bone,10 % organs of which 5 % is liver. No veggies ever! Also I never feed a chicken carcass or a chicken neck,that is just bone and no meat. For my lot a crap meal is a whole chicken,unless I stretch to buying an organic one. I prefer grass fed or wild meats. Lamb,beef,pork,hare,rabbit and possum. I very rarely give a probiotic and fish oil. Do it as an occasional thing. When I put Ollie on this he went through a detox period,hair loss,ears and eyes gunky and scratched like mad,all those yeasts coming out of his system. Then one day virtually no more. That lasted nearly 3 weeks if I remember. Now he never has a problem. He came to me with no hair on his chest at all and it took a good 6 months to grow back. He was very immuno suppressed. I noticed on a local list here,I am in NZ btw,that a lot of Auckland owners ,where I live are having their dogs sneeze like mad at the moment and itch like crazy! My guys run for an hour through long grass 3 or 4 times a week on a walk we do through a mangrove swamp and they are all fine...guess their immune systems can take the pollens. Also we all do the best we can when feeding our dogs and I would never bash anyone but feeding becomes such an emotive and overly scrutinised issue with so many of us. I just wish it was as easy for the masses as it is for me. When you fed raw sas did you have enough protein in there do you think,cos IMO people feed way too much bone and I always say a badly fed raw diet is even worse than cheap kibble! Too much bone won't help a dog at all. Edited November 6, 2009 by tomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 (edited) Tag eating pineapple skin. He's getting that broken tooth seen to this week in case anyone thinks I'm neglecting him. Edited November 7, 2009 by Kirislin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalier Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Also we all do the best we can when feeding our dogs and I would never bash anyone but feeding becomes such an emotive and overly scrutinised issue with so many of us. I just wish it was as easy for the masses as it is for me. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavandra Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 As PETA get their way slowly but surely , in erradicating all pet ownership worldwide, we will see alot of this extremist behaviour & brainwashing, feeding carvinores Vegan & Vege diets is ridiculous. Many of the PETA whackos are Vegans!!! I am vegetarian, and my dogs eat a raw diet of meat & bones like they were designed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Sibs Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Well, after dog sitting an 11 years old dog who's only diet is rice and vegetables... what i noticed about him was that he really stinks, he has really bad teeth and breathe, he wasn't lively and he didn't look good. after a month staying with me and me adding meat into his diet, he starting to have more energy, looks better and doesn't stink so much. coming home for a specialist... she says dogs have to have meat and bones in their diet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam&Saki Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. If someone is considering feeding their dog a vegie diet, explain to them that feeding their dog commercial dog food does not contribute the kill rate. This is far more effective than getting on your high horse and making ridiculous accusations of craziness, selfishness, anthropomorphism or anything else. We ALL force our beliefs onto our dogs, by desexing them, not allowing them to roam, not allowing them to fight / breed / hunt / live naturally. Vegetarians just don't want to cause any animals to die. If you attack them for this they will not listen to you. If you explain to them that dogs can eat meat that is offcuts from an animal already slaughtered for other reasons, and therefore not causing any additional deaths, they may listen to you. Or you can always argue the point that their responsibility to their dog is greater than their responsibility to other animals, who are not in their direct care, although this is an argument that can only be made by someone who actually considers the ethics involved, rather than discounting ethics in order to feel superior. Clearly there are a number of people in this thread who would prefer to insult others than actually persuade others to do what's best for their dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anniek Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 A couple of years ago, we refused to adoped a greyhound to a couple who insisted on feeding the grey a vegan diet. I spoke to one of our greyhound vets, and he was quite happy to "stand up in court" for us should "discrimination" rear its head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 We ALL force our beliefs onto our dogs, by desexing them, not allowing them to roam, not allowing them to fight / breed / hunt / live naturally. bolded bits are actually laws, not beliefs Clearly there are a number of people in this thread who would prefer to insult others than actually persuade others to do what's best for their dog. nah, it's just good healthy discussion. If you find it insulting i am sure you can find another thread to read or participate in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam&Saki Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 We ALL force our beliefs onto our dogs, by desexing them, not allowing them to roam, not allowing them to fight / breed / hunt / live naturally. bolded bits are actually laws, not beliefs Laws are based on beliefs. Belief is murder is wrong. Law makes murder illegal. Are you really trying to argue that DOLers believe dogs should be allowed to roam, fight, hunt where ever and when ever they like? & only don't do that because of the law? The way we keep dogs is unnatural, and incorporates all sorts of beliefs we put on to our dogs, so those accusations don't really hold water. What should matter is what is BEST for your dog. Is not allowing your dog to roam best for your dog? Absolutely. Is putting your dog on vegetarian diet best for your dog? Very unlikely. Clearly there are a number of people in this thread who would prefer to insult others than actually persuade others to do what's best for their dog. nah, it's just good healthy discussion. If you find it insulting i am sure you can find another thread to read or participate in. There is a lot of fascinating, good healthy discussion in this thread There is also a heap of replies that are just reactionary "tell them they're crazy / anthropomorphic / not normal!" Fact is, telling them that won't help convince them not to put the dog on a vegie diet, which was my point, and appropriate to the discussion. Why is everyone else allowed to disagree and share differing opinions, but you want me to leave the thread, Gareth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgianlover Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 People really like to fight here dont they. Read the posts, no one ever said it was ideal, just that a dog can thrive on it, I am sure everyones dogs get something that is not ideal for them its not a perfect world. What rot! I'm sorry but there is no irrefutable evidence that a dog will 'thrive' on a vegetarian diet. They are not vegetarian animals. Why would someone even contemplate changing an animals natural diet just because they don't consume meat themselves? It's utterly selfish and is basically an anal act of anthropomorphic idiocy. Any normal person would feed their animal what it has been designed and has evolved (over many millenium of evolution) to eat. To do otherwise is NOT normal. I have no patience with nutjobs and fruitloops and if you look under my avatar you will notice that 'political correctness' is not my preferred stance. Exactly, who's going to start adding meat to their horses diets just because that's what they eat? It's a simple question of what an animal has evolved to eat in my opinion. I don't see wolves stalking cabbages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim'sMum Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 There is also a heap of replies that are just reactionary "tell them they're crazy / anthropomorphic / not normal!" Fact is, telling them that won't help convince them not to put the dog on a vegie diet, which was my point, and appropriate to the discussion. If I was told by the person, who the OP started the thread about, that they planned to feed a dog a vegetarian diet...there would be no polite persuasion. Cruelty, which I consider this is, does not deserve polite persuasion....it deserves 'both barrels'. I would be quite happy to tell this person that they were a nutjob and add my earlier comment that it is 'utterly selfish and is basically an anal act of anthropomorphic idiocy'. There are many times when politeness is a necessity or preferable but also times when you have to call a spade just what it is...a spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 The way we keep dogs is unnatural, and incorporates all sorts of beliefs we put on to our dogs, You've seen dogs living naturally in Thailand, Saki. Hideous creatures pumping out puppies, getting hit by cars, disease ridden, emaciated, rabid, free to roam fight and fornicate. I think I'll continue with my dogs' unnatural existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouiseBrooks Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I wonder how long her other dogs survived. I do not eat meat but there is no way I would make my dogs go vego. I agree a rabbit is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdog Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 ...I don't see wolves stalking cabbages Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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