Diva Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 , got pancreatitis and died from it. High fat then? Mine have never had a lot - I try not to let them get any - but there is always that period when they are puppies and before the training kicks in when they manage to get past my guard and snaffle a couple. Never had any side effect except bad breath and a gagging owner, but then I don't think my breed is particularly prone to pancreatitis, I've never heard of one with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Maybe it had something to do with the vego diet? Weakened immune system?Who knows.... Hmmm, a vegetarian dog probably doesn't have the same gut flora as a meat eating dog, then again, I've heard cat poo is bad for dogs, I know of one ate alot, got pancreatitis and died from it. precisely what my vet said, Kirislin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Cat truffle is disgusting regarldess of your dog being a raging vegan or a meatasaurus .... second to that is bloody duck poo and possum crap eewwwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 i second that SBT, although i am wondering if vegan cat poo would be a slightly more pleasant experience!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) chuckandsteve they are omnivores And your reference for that is? wherever it is from it's the only one so you should share it. Edited November 5, 2009 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) Please explain to be the difference between a dogs GI tract and a humans. They are actually almost identical Yes they are almost identical when compared with a herbivore, but humans are omniverous whereas a dog is first and foremost a carnivore. Although able to deal with small amounts of carbohydrate a dog's GI tract is designed to process flesh and bones. Starting from the head a dog has a long protruding jaw and large canines both of which are designed to grab and hold its prey, the jaw only moves up and down not side to side so dogs are unable to grind foods such as cereal grains or corn. The molars in a dog are used to crack and pulverise bone. Unlike us a dog's saliva contains no enzymes to break down starch, a dog's saliva acts solely as a lubricant to allow it to bolt down its food in large pieces as quickly as possible. The dog's stomach is relatively small because a carnivore eats a nutrient rich diet so only small amounts are required at each meal and their stomach acid is approximately three times stronger than hours having a PH of 1/2 compared to a human's 4/5 thus allowing the dog to to break down bone. The very strong acid also kills most bacteria. Their gut is comparatively much shorter than ours and food passes through much more quickly, this is another safeguard against bacterial infection. However the shorter gut also means that vegetable matter isn't well processed which is why cheap dry foods with lots of cereal fillers can cause digestive disturbances, humans with their much longer gut process carbohydrates much more efficiently. For those of you who consider a vegetarian diet completely suitable for a dog tell me have any of you ever bred a litter from two medium sized vegetarian dogs, weaned the puppies straight onto a vegetarian diet and successfully raised them to adulthood? Dogs saliva does contain amylase. The dogs intestine also contains enzymes which break down cellulose. Both the human and dog stomach has an average pH of 2. Both the human and dog stomach is relatively small. Biologically, the dog is an omnivore. The dog has NO physiological obligate requirement for meat (unlike the cat). Every nutrient that dogs need can be obtained from plant sources, or they synthesise themselves. Link to studies on this? (yes we study nutrition in great depth at vet school - There's something about your posts - this is the second one which has made me say "bullshit" Exactly how many semesters and subjects did you complete on nutrition? Not too many obviously. And would you mind posting the correlation between the cat having diarrohea and length of intestine, or whatever the hell point you thought you were making? Thanks. The dogs intestine also contains enzymes which break down cellulose. Back to the books, chickie, if you think the enzymes in the intestine wil break down sufficient cellulose to allow sufficient absorbtion to provide adequate nutrition. That is the reason why people who feed BARF put the vegetable matter through a juicer or processor - TO BREAK DOWN THE CELLULOSE SO THE DOG CAN DIGEST IT. Great post as always, Miranda Edited November 5, 2009 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 hahaha, I just had to hunt Kibah away from a sunflower seedling. It's the first time I've ever grown one before so it's new to them but typically my inquisitive dogs will taste anything. I suspect its days are numbered now she's noticed it. Mine also eat several weeds, one is clivers and the other I call mustard, tastes similar to rocket, which they also love. I suppose what I am getting at is that I think it's perfectly natural for dogs to eat veggies/plants, just not solely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 I suppose what I am getting at is that I think it's perfectly natural for dogs to eat veggies/plants, just not solely. I agree, Micha and Daisy love fruit and vegies. They'll eat apples, pear, lettuce, carrot, any of the root vegies etc and I ensure that raw pureed vegies is part of their diet. Just not the entire part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 My poor neglected animals just get the carrot peels ..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Incidentally, Cavalier, are you aware the Veterinary Registration Board can have you charged under state laws for impersonating a veterinay surgeon? I believe the penalties are more than just a little fine - there may be a suspended sentence, but it is a criminal offence, and carries a criminal record, as impersonating a doctor does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) Incidentally, Cavalier, are you aware the Veterinary Registration Board can have you charged under state laws for impersonating a veterinay surgeon? I believe the penalties are more than just a little fine - there may be a suspended sentence, but it is a criminal offence, and carries a criminal record, as impersonating a doctor does. Wow! Surely Cavalier wouldn't be doing that! What Vet Clinic are you with, Cavalier? ETA: Who is/was KYLA ?? Edited November 5, 2009 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Incidentally, Cavalier, are you aware the Veterinary Registration Board can have you charged under state laws for impersonating a veterinay surgeon? I believe the penalties are more than just a little fine - there may be a suspended sentence, but it is a criminal offence, and carries a criminal record, as impersonating a doctor does. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalier Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Please report me then This topic is just getting silly (and nasty) now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I really don't think Cavalier is impersonating a vet (unless she's been doing so for 5 years!). Not sure where that suggestion stemmed from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I understand that Cavalier is "only" using a screen name here, but that is quite a serious allegation to throw around on the basis of such little evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalier Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I understand that Cavalier is "only" using a screen name here, but that is quite a serious allegation to throw around on the basis of such little evidence. Who knows - maybe Im not a vet, maybe Im an Astronaut? Nobody has to justify themselves to anybody on a public forum, thats half the fun Anyway - you cannot be charged with impersonating a vet on a public forum. You have to actually advertise you are a vet and diagnose/treat animals conditions to have committed that type of offence. On the topic of cellulose. Both dogs and humans, when fed a diet high in plant materials, can have bacteria in their large intestines which secrete enzymes which break down cellulose. This is a process which happens over time. The body has an amazing ability to adapt to different diets and extract what nutrients it can out of many sources. Of course the ability of a dog or a human to break down cellulose is nothing compared to that of a ruminant or horse, however it is something that occurs nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I don't know.....feeding dogs a vegetarian diet just doesn't sit right with me, smells like anthropomorphism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyliegirl Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 thriving on a diet does not mean that its ideal.. I could thrive on eating only cabbage and fish, but it doesn't mean that its ideal for me..It might keep me alive and I might look okay, but internally my body would most likely be working alot less effectively than it would if i increased my food choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I understand that Cavalier is "only" using a screen name here, but that is quite a serious allegation to throw around on the basis of such little evidence. No one is alleging anything, Aidan. I was illuminating a fact. Cavalier Anyway - you cannot be charged with impersonating a vet on a public forum. You have to actually advertise you are a vet and diagnose/treat animals conditions to have committed that type of offence. Uh huh On the topic of cellulose. Both dogs and humans, when fed a diet high in plant materials, can have bacteria in their large intestines which secrete enzymes which break down cellulose. This is a process which happens over time. The body has an amazing ability to adapt to different diets and extract what nutrients it can out of many sources. Of course the ability of a dog or a human to break down cellulose is nothing compared to that of a ruminant or horse, however it is something that occurs nonetheless. Digestion takes place in dogs mostly in the intestine, and the matter to be digested passes through too quickly for cellulose to be digested when fed in it's normal state. Which is why cows have 4 stomachs, so they can digest and redigest cellulose, but you know that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss B Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 There's something about your posts - this is the second one which has made me say "bullshit" There are a few things that don't quite add up for me, it's just a vibe I'm getting. 23 January 2006 I am a final year vet student and will be a fully registered vet in less that 10 months 25th September 2009 In all my years being a vet (and injecting around 20 dogs a day with dectomax) 7th October 2009 No Im not a repro specialist, but have been a vet for a long time and work in a very busy practice Three years isn't that long, lovey. 29th September 2009 We see about 5 cases of Parvo a week 31st October 2009 The risk of Parvo infection where I live is HUGE. I personally treat 10-15 cases a week. Within one month your Parvo cases have jumped from 5 per week, to 10-15 cases per week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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