doit4thedogz Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 It will be hard to train the fight out of an Apbt compared to other dogs. Just like you cant train the fight into a dog. Its either there or not. You can do all the right things, training, socialisation etc. then when the time is right all those things won't matter and all you can do is muzzle and keep away from other dogs.Ofcourse some particular Apbts can be trained to 'sniff out bombs and drugs, used by the military and even police forces, many used as therapy and service dogs, they are great at weight pulling, agility'. A chihuahua could probably do them also. There maybe individual apbts (or lookalikes unless they have a pedigree) that are suitable for those particular roles. TRainers may assess and give a particular dog a chance that doesn't mean the breed as a whole is suitable and excels at that role. There are more suitable breeds to fufill particular roles. And certain breeds are more popular for certain roles for a reason. A Fila could be trained to be a guide dog. But would the breed as a whole be suitable guide dogs? Why not use a labradore. If Apbt ownerd want the breed to be a mutlitasked allrounder I think they should be breeding away from certain qualities and more towards other qualities. I have yet to see that in Australia. Have you any Idea how ridiculous your argument there Is, I've only highlighted the one but I'm sure a Chihuahua can do and fulfill all those roles too ( No offense to Chihuahua lovers out there either ) I have no Interest In flogging a dead horse, nor do I have the Interest to try and win you over Into the heart of the APBT. And lastly APBT's are one of the greatest all rounders In the dog world, they always have been and always will be, they have the desire to succeed In everything they do, even when the odds are stacked against them, and that Is what makes them so great out there In the working field.........and when the day Is over they make great lap dogs and couch potatoes too IN A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT ! Why cant a Chihuahua fulfill those roles? Is it due to particular characteristics? Like the Apbt has no flaws and is suitable for anything and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 My electricity meter reader says he has the most trouble with Cattledogs, Border Collies and little fluffies.I asked about Pitties, Rotties and hunting dogs. He said that he didn't rate them in his "be wary of" list. He also said that if a Bully type dog doesn't want you in there yard, he'll tell you before you go in. Whereas a working breed will let you in, only to not let you out again without a nip to the hind quarters. What happened to individuality. SO now its cattledogs, BCs and SWFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_h Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Don't we all get on here and go APBT this and how wonderful and blah blah Not all of us apparently. EVERYBODY generalises dogs by breed - if you don't think you do, you'd be lying. And thats called "projecting". The statements made by your father in law are foolish and false. It is the minority of dogs of any breed that would be happy about a stranger walking into thier yard. "Border collies", "Pitbulls", "Cattle dogs", ect he says "you have to watch" pfft good on ya. And what about Schnauzers, Dobermans, Neo's, and Kelpies ? Dont have to watch them ? The guy knows jack, that was my first impression when I read your post and its even more evident now, he doesnt "get it" and niether do you. You have made various far fetched (read - catagorically false) claims, for instance, "Pitbulls are a guardian breed". No cred, end of story So because my experiences, because they are different to yours, are catagorically 'false'? pfft, good on you, if you had read the earlier posts correctly, they are the ones he had had bad experiences with. Of course any dog is generally unhappy with a stranger in their yard and you have to be careful with every dog individually. I say pitbulls are a guardian breed because the one pure and two crosses i have OWNED myself, were great guard dogs. Stuff it, whatever, obviously you are the be all and end all of everything and know all, so end of story to you :wave:i'd like to say something else too, but i'm too polite. this is an open forum and i am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours. And in reply to your insinuation above that i don't like APBT - I do. but they aren't the dog for me. They have admirable qualities. I've never said i dont like them. and for the dig at neo's - i agree, i wouldn't get in the yard with my boy if i didn't know him. so and get back on topic Edited November 13, 2009 by amy_h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 You got me all wrong mate I didnt make any dig at Neo's I love that breed aswell. Of course any dog is generally unhappy with a stranger in their yard and you have to be careful with every dog individually So you do understand. You cant agree with that AND agree with what your father in law says. So because my experiences, because they are different to yours, are catagorically 'false'? Sometimes it doesnt matter who has experienced what. Fact is the APBT is not a guardian breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 You got me all wrong mate I didnt make any dig at Neo's I love that breed aswell.Of course any dog is generally unhappy with a stranger in their yard and you have to be careful with every dog individually So you do understand. You cant agree with that AND agree with what your father in law says. So because my experiences, because they are different to yours, are catagorically 'false'? Sometimes it doesnt matter who has experienced what. Fact is the APBT is not a guardian breed. its a fighitng breed, not guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Like the Apbt has no flaws and is suitable for anything and everything. Grow up, That's not what I said, and stop putting words in my mouth Look I can do these too I gave you a list of things they can and do excel at, there are plenty of 'other' working fields out there that are better suited to other breeds, that I didn't mention. Like It or not they are a great all round dog, whether you acknowledge It or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) its a fighitng breed, not guardian Staffies, AmStaffs/APBT's are classified as a Terrier actually. Edited November 13, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 There are more suitable breeds to fufill particular roles. And certain breeds are more popular for certain roles for a reason. Pit Bulls, AmStaffs and Staffies have been fulfilling the role of "family dog" for as long as there have been Pit Bulls and Staffies and are well suited. ANd dont forget apbts have been bred as fighting dogs long before the apbt name even existed right to this day. No need to single out the APBT. The exact same is very true for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier. So what? All are generally great family dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ari.g Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Great photos luvmeveges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottnBullies Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Did I forget to mention they make great fishing dogs too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_h Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 You got me all wrong mate I didnt make any dig at Neo's I love that breed aswell.Of course any dog is generally unhappy with a stranger in their yard and you have to be careful with every dog individually So you do understand. You cant agree with that AND agree with what your father in law says. So because my experiences, because they are different to yours, are catagorically 'false'? Sometimes it doesnt matter who has experienced what. Fact is the APBT is not a guardian breed. Sorry, i didn't mean dig at the breed, i meant that i thought you threw them in to get a raise out of me because i own one. As far as the second comment, i agree and disagree with him. I argue that not just him, but EVERYONE classes dog's by their breed. The breeds he discusses as the ones he has poor experiences with are the ones he personally has had trouble with. I personally would rank bloody cattle dogs as the worst for attacking with and without provocation because they are the only dog that has ever actually bitten me, excpet the odd accidential nip from an overstimulated boardog and getting my hand in the wrong place at the right time. (when removing from the pig, trying to control a 30-50kg dog or two and a squealing wriggling hog, it's bound to happen once or twice ) third one - ok. Catagorically what are APBT supposed to be? (not being a smart arse, just want your opinion) as i have only had experience with them as primarily hunting dogs and secondly as family backyard dogs. But i just find it odd that all my friends who've owned APBT and crosses always tie their dogs up before we go out the back 'just in case'. These aren't people who mistreat their dogs either. Every APBT i've come across has barked on our approach to the gate or door. Aren't they traditionally a fighting breed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_h Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Loving the fishing photos! So as a terrier, what is their purpose, i always thought terriers were rodent hunters, or dogs with high prey drive for use in similar fields? Edited November 14, 2009 by amy_h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 its a fighitng breed, not guardian Staffies, AmStaffs/APBT's are classified as a Terrier actually. In terms of working catergories. it is a fighitng breed, because thats what its bred to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 There are more suitable breeds to fufill particular roles. And certain breeds are more popular for certain roles for a reason. Pit Bulls, AmStaffs and Staffies have been fulfilling the role of "family dog" for as long as there have been Pit Bulls and Staffies and are well suited. ANd dont forget apbts have been bred as fighting dogs long before the apbt name even existed right to this day. No need to single out the APBT. The exact same is very true for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier. So what? All are generally great family dogs. Working lines of molosser dogs can be great as famliy dogs but need alot of time. thats whay most Apbts live on chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doit4thedogz Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Like the Apbt has no flaws and is suitable for anything and everything. Grow up, That's not what I said, and stop putting words in my mouth Look I can do these too I gave you a list of things they can and do excel at, there are plenty of 'other' working fields out there that are better suited to other breeds, that I didn't mention. Like It or not they are a great all round dog, whether you acknowledge It or not that can be a great all round dog. but ignorance kills./ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBT Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 can be? lol they are, you ever owned one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_h Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Working lines of molosser dogs can be great as famliy dogs but need alot of time. thats whay most Apbts live on chains. APBT are a terrier, a molosser is a mastiff dog, APBT are a lot smaller than a mastiff. Dogs that are chained are so to protect themselves from uneducated dicks, not the other way around. (there are other reasons but thats why we chain ours) Our dogs are chained and would be the happiest doggies you could meet. but ours are run everyday. Not alot get that luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Loving the fishing photos!So as a terrier, what is their purpose, i always thought terriers were rodent hunters, or dogs with high prey drive for use in similar fields? Until the early 19th century, the Bulldog used for bullbaiting in England was more active and longer-legged than the breed as we know it today, 19" maximum for the AmStaff. It is thought that the cross of this older Bulldog and a game terrier breed created the Staffordshire Terrier and American Pit Bull Terrier. Originally called the Bull-and-Terrier Dog, Half and Half, Pit Dog or Pit Bull Terrier. They were used for hunting small game and pests (including rats, rabbits, hares, etc) that's why the terrier name stuck and are classed as such. Edited November 14, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_h Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 thank you:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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