Thinking About This Whole Pit Bull Thing

[rottiadora]

Loose leash until it sees another dog. try training an apbt to not react to other dogs. gurentee it will be harder to do than say a lab.

It's really not that hard. Yes, care should be taken when around strange dogs. So what?

Socialising and obedience when young is the key, aswell as a reputable breeder.

[ari.g]

Loose leash until it sees another dog. try training an apbt to not react to other dogs. gurentee it will be harder to do than say a lab.

Well there must have been a lot of "rare" trainable, non-reactive APBT's at the APBT shows I used to go to in Melbourne

[Zhou Xuanyao]

The more you talk, the more you show how little experience you have with the breed and how little you know about dogs as a whole. Quit before you get any further behind.

[doit4thedogz]

The more you talk, the more you show how little experience you have with the breed and how little you know about dogs as a whole. Quit before you get any further behind.

Thats great if your dog doesnt react to other dogs. Must of be the hienz variety.

[rottiadora]

Buy from a reputable breeder or rescuer. In the States that limits you to AmStaffs and Staffies. In the territories there are no breed limitations.

Edited November 9, 2009 by rottiadora

[doit4thedogz]

Loose leash until it sees another dog. try training an apbt to not react to other dogs. gurentee it will be harder to do than say a lab.

It's really not that hard. Yes, care should be taken when around strange dogs. So what?

Socialising and obedience when young is the key, aswell as a reputable breeder.

First of all, where can we find a reputable Apbt breeder? And reputable for what? Many different Apbt breeders reputable for different reasons. Many different bloodlines also reputable.

Secondly its can be more of a challenge to train and socialise fighting instincts out of an Apbt. May work sometimes, but for many when the dog matures its a different story.

[rottiadora]

First of all, where can we find a reputable Apbt breeder? And reputable for what? Many different Apbt breeders reputable for different reasons. Many different bloodlines also reputable.

A reputable breeder in the States limits you to to the ANKC breeders of AmStaffs and Staffies.

For an explanation of what being a reputable breeder is I suggest you look on the ANKC and individual state bodies web sites.

[RottnBullies]

The more you talk, the more you show how little experience you have with the breed and how little you know about dogs as a whole. Quit before you get any further behind.

Thats great if your dog doesnt react to other dogs. Must of be the hienz variety.

:D The more I read your posts, the worse they're getting..............Dribble

I guess all those Michael Vick Pits that were saved from the scum fighting them MUST ALL be of the Heinze variety too, as I remember many were re homed in multiple dog homes................go figure

[APBT]

The more you talk, the more you show how little experience you have with the breed and how little you know about dogs as a whole. Quit before you get any further behind.

Thats great if your dog doesnt react to other dogs. Must of be the hienz variety.

geez, i haven't been on in a while and your still here dribbling rubbish,

[doit4thedogz]

The more you talk, the more you show how little experience you have with the breed and how little you know about dogs as a whole. Quit before you get any further behind.

Thats great if your dog doesnt react to other dogs. Must of be the hienz variety.

The more I read your posts, the worse they're getting..............Dribble

I guess all those Michael Vick Pits that were saved from the scum fighting them MUST ALL be of the Heinze variety too, as I remember many were re homed in multiple dog homes................go figure

If line bred dogs are no different to scatter bred dogs, why line breed at all?? why not just breed currs to currs to scatterbreds etc. Whats the point of Apbt breeders trying to line breed dogs?

[doit4thedogz]

The more you talk, the more you show how little experience you have with the breed and how little you know about dogs as a whole. Quit before you get any further behind.

Thats great if your dog doesnt react to other dogs. Must of be the hienz variety.

geez, i haven't been on in a while and your still here dribbling rubbish,

You havent been on in a while and you're still in denial.

[tybrax]

Doit4thedogs have you ever owned a APBT??

[doit4thedogz]

First of all, where can we find a reputable Apbt breeder? And reputable for what? Many different Apbt breeders reputable for different reasons. Many different bloodlines also reputable.

A reputable breeder in the States limits you to to the ANKC breeders of AmStaffs and Staffies.

For an explanation of what being a reputable breeder is I suggest you look on the ANKC and individual state bodies web sites.

So what would you class as a reputable Apbt breeder?

A. a breeder that line breeds game dogs? Has some proof of atleast 4 generations.

or

B. a BYB that breeds his more placid but "scatterbred" likely unpure pitbulls.

[shocking]

First of all, where can we find a reputable Apbt breeder? And reputable for what? Many different Apbt breeders reputable for different reasons. Many different bloodlines also reputable.

A reputable breeder in the States limits you to to the ANKC breeders of AmStaffs and Staffies.

For an explanation of what being a reputable breeder is I suggest you look on the ANKC and individual state bodies web sites.

So what would you class as a reputable Apbt breeder?

A. a breeder that line breeds game dogs? Has some proof of atleast 4 generations.

or

B. a BYB that breeds his more placid but "scatterbred" likely unpure pitbulls.

im sure there are more options than just A and B

and what do u mean by scatter bred like unpure pitbull. how can it be scatter bred and unpure at the same time.

the whole question is stupid and shouldnt even be answered

Edited November 9, 2009 by shocking

[Teebs]

Loose leash until it sees another dog. try training an apbt to not react to other dogs. gurentee it will be harder to do than say a lab.

wow, tell you what, i have been bailed up by 5 Labs, I had to climb a fence to get away from 2 that had me in a corner. Guess how many pittys/bull breeds have had a go at me? Ummm. NONE

I have also found Labs and many other breeds tend to be more dog aggressive then most of the bull breeds. (I have worked around dogs every day for the last 6 years)

My Staffy is dog aggressive, I can still get her to walk on a loose lead when we walk past other dogs, she does keep her eye on the other dog, but she knows she cant pull on the lead or she will get corrected.

[rottiadora]

So what would you class as a reputable Apbt breeder?

A. a breeder that line breeds game dogs? Has some proof of atleast 4 generations.

or

B. a BYB that breeds his more placid but "scatterbred" likely unpure pitbulls.

Neither of those silly examples of yours. But, in answer to your question :D .

A reputable APBT/Amstaff/Rotti/ANY BREED breeder is:

1. One who at all times, would have a goal of breeding to improve, restore or develop the breeds via a process of selection over successive generations and, before breeding a litter, would give serious and equal consideration to construction, temperament, health and soundness, in the choice of breeding stock. Will always bear in mind that aggression and nervousness form no part in temperament and character of any dog. Should aim all breeding to the improvement of the breed

2. No bitch would be mated without due consideration as to the well being of the bitch and her offspring.

3. Would not deliberately in-breed with mother to son, father to daughter or brother to sister unless he/she has clear & substantive reasons.

4. Would agree that he/she will never provide false information regarding the parentage of the litter.

5. Would not breed a litter unless he/she were certain of finding good homes for the puppies. As the owner of stud dog(s) he/she would make it very clear to the bitch owners of the commitment and facilities necessary to rear a litter.

Would never allow any puppy to leave the premises to go to a new home before the age of 8 weeks. No puppy should be sold without having had its first vaccination and regular-worming treatments and would provide documented evidence of such to the purchaser.

6. Would never supply a puppy without a diet sheet. A full and accurate puppy care sheet(s) would be supplied to the purchaser, outlining health care information, heartworm control, flea control, reasons for desexing, microchip information, etc.

7. Would provide a full and detailed health record of any puppy he/she sell's to the purchaser showing a complete history of that pup from the date of whelping to the date of delivery. And will keep breeding and health records for all dogs in care.

8. Would provide a written health guarantee for every pup bred and sold. Provide on going support and advice for the life of the pup.

9. Never knowingly sell any puppy/adult dog to laboratories, pet shops or dealers in dogs or to person's known to sell stock to any of the above. Shall not provide any stud services to such persons (a dealer is defined as any person who regularly buys stock for sale at a profit).

10. Screen prospective buyers for suitability and shall fully advise them of the characteristics of the dog as a breed stressing the necessity for care, grooming and ample exercise. Register all pups with the breed's registering body unless they are disqualified from registration due to a non recognized colour. Supply the buyer with the dog's registration papers from the breeds' registrar unless this is not practicable in which case would provide an endorsed copy to the buyer . would also clearly state whether the puppy is on limited register or full register (where applicable) and explain the benefits and restrictions of that register.

11. Would never allow a puppy or adult which has any apparent physical defects or which shows definite departure from the Breed Standard to be knowingly sold without the buyer being made aware of such defects and its possible consequences. Will only sell puppies and adults, which, to the best of his/her knowledge and belief are in good health at the time of sale.

12. Would impress on the buyer that they should contact me in the event of any problem arising with the puppy or adult and make every effort to be of assistance in these circumstances. In the case of a dog needing to be re-homed, will take full responsibility to assist as much as possible in achieving this end and will accept the return of that dog at any age if this in any way possible.

13. Advertising would be strictly factual. I will not use misleading exaggeration or unfounded implications of superiority. would not promote the dogs as something they are not.

14. Would refrain from making negative or malicious statements about other breeder's, their dogs or practices.

15. Would be co-operative in any measures aimed at eradicating hereditary diseases or genetic defects. Would seek information and understanding of genetic diseases and defects and use this understanding in my breeding program. Would commit themselves to a positive breeding program aimed at eradicating such hereditary diseases or defects known or suspected within my breed.

16. Would be honest and forthright in notifying any genetic or heritable diseases found to be in any dogs I have bred and pass on any information required to help breeders make necessary choices in their breeding program.

17. Would not breed a litter unless he/she had the time and facilities to devote proper care and attention to the rearing of the puppies and to the well being of the dam.

18. Any dog/puppy in his/her care would receive immediate professional attention should it become ill.

19. Would continue to offer helpful assistance to any puppy/adult dog buyer as long as such assistance is required.

20. All dogs in the breeders care would be adequately housed in clean, comfortable and weatherproof accommodation with a minimum of 2 hours off lead and exercise with appropriate stimulation and companionship per day.

21. All dogs in care would be under control at all times, housing and exercise areas kept clean and all care taken to limit possible disturbance to neighbours.

22. Would lead by example and advocate responsible dog ownership.

23. Would microchip all animals as prescribed by law. All follow up paper work will be fulfilled and sent to the appropriate canine authority.

24. Would exhibit and promote excellence in the discipline and practice of dog breeding.

25. Would encourage the exchange of knowledge, of technical, practical and ethical matters between breeders.

26. Would act and advise in accordance and within the parameters of his/her experience.

Edited November 9, 2009 by rottiadora

[doit4thedogz]

So what would you class as a reputable Apbt breeder?

A. a breeder that line breeds game dogs? Has some proof of atleast 4 generations.

or

B. a BYB that breeds his more placid but "scatterbred" likely unpure pitbulls.

Neither of those silly examples of yours. But, in answer to your question .

In this country. those two are the main types of Apbt breeders. So what is your definition of an Apbt suitable as a family pet. Because the closest thing to a purebred APbt in this country is one that is line bred from game dogs, either direct from game dogs or a couple pf generations away. Unless your definition of an Apbt is a BYB breeder with not account of his dog's pedigree, their dogs may be more placid and friendlier but likely to be more mixed and not as close to an Apbt.

And the definition you gave of an ideal breeder. How many breeders both registered and not fit the profile?

[doit4thedogz]

First of all, where can we find a reputable Apbt breeder? And reputable for what? Many different Apbt breeders reputable for different reasons. Many different bloodlines also reputable.

A reputable breeder in the States limits you to to the ANKC breeders of AmStaffs and Staffies.

For an explanation of what being a reputable breeder is I suggest you look on the ANKC and individual state bodies web sites.

So what would you class as a reputable Apbt breeder?

A. a breeder that line breeds game dogs? Has some proof of atleast 4 generations.

or

B. a BYB that breeds his more placid but "scatterbred" likely unpure pitbulls.

im sure there are more options than just A and B

and what do u mean by scatter bred like unpure pitbull. how can it be scatter bred and unpure at the same time.

the whole question is stupid and shouldnt even be answered

LOL at the highlighted part.

Scatterbred: Randomly bred dogs.

Likely Unpure: Not likely to be unpure anyway.

Combine them together: A dog that is randomly bred, likley to be unpure.

SO hows the importing going?

ANd redeveloping the Amstaff breed?

Got a mission going there.

But cant even put up a fence. lol.

[WreckitWhippet]

So what would you class as a reputable Apbt breeder?

A. a breeder that line breeds game dogs? Has some proof of atleast 4 generations.

or

B. a BYB that breeds his more placid but "scatterbred" likely unpure pitbulls.

Neither of those silly examples of yours. But, in answer to your question .

A reputable APBT/Amstaff/Rotti/ANY BREED breeder is:

1. One who at all times, would have a goal of breeding to improve, restore or develop the breeds via a process of selection over successive generations and, before breeding a litter, would give serious and equal consideration to construction, temperament, health and soundness, in the choice of breeding stock. Will always bear in mind that aggression and nervousness form no part in temperament and character of any dog. Should aim all breeding to the improvement of the breed

2. No bitch would be mated without due consideration as to the well being of the bitch and her offspring.

3. Would not deliberately in-breed with mother to son, father to daughter or brother to sister unless he/she has clear & substantive reasons.

4. Would agree that he/she will never provide false information regarding the parentage of the litter.

5. Would not breed a litter unless he/she were certain of finding good homes for the puppies. As the owner of stud dog(s) he/she would make it very clear to the bitch owners of the commitment and facilities necessary to rear a litter.

Would never allow any puppy to leave the premises to go to a new home before the age of 8 weeks. No puppy should be sold without having had its first vaccination and regular-worming treatments and would provide documented evidence of such to the purchaser.

6. Would never supply a puppy without a diet sheet. A full and accurate puppy care sheet(s) would be supplied to the purchaser, outlining health care information, heartworm control, flea control, reasons for desexing, microchip information, etc.

7. Would provide a full and detailed health record of any puppy he/she sell's to the purchaser showing a complete history of that pup from the date of whelping to the date of delivery. And will keep breeding and health records for all dogs in care.

8. Would provide a written health guarantee for every pup bred and sold. Provide on going support and advice for the life of the pup.

9. Never knowingly sell any puppy/adult dog to laboratories, pet shops or dealers in dogs or to person's known to sell stock to any of the above. Shall not provide any stud services to such persons (a dealer is defined as any person who regularly buys stock for sale at a profit).

10. Screen prospective buyers for suitability and shall fully advise them of the characteristics of the dog as a breed stressing the necessity for care, grooming and ample exercise. Register all pups with the breed's registering body unless they are disqualified from registration due to a non recognized colour. Supply the buyer with the dog's registration papers from the breeds' registrar unless this is not practicable in which case would provide an endorsed copy to the buyer . would also clearly state whether the puppy is on limited register or full register (where applicable) and explain the benefits and restrictions of that register.

11. Would never allow a puppy or adult which has any apparent physical defects or which shows definite departure from the Breed Standard to be knowingly sold without the buyer being made aware of such defects and its possible consequences. Will only sell puppies and adults, which, to the best of his/her knowledge and belief are in good health at the time of sale.

12. Would impress on the buyer that they should contact me in the event of any problem arising with the puppy or adult and make every effort to be of assistance in these circumstances. In the case of a dog needing to be re-homed, will take full responsibility to assist as much as possible in achieving this end and will accept the return of that dog at any age if this in any way possible.

13. Advertising would be strictly factual. I will not use misleading exaggeration or unfounded implications of superiority. would not promote the dogs as something they are not.

14. Would refrain from making negative or malicious statements about other breeder's, their dogs or practices.

15. Would be co-operative in any measures aimed at eradicating hereditary diseases or genetic defects. Would seek information and understanding of genetic diseases and defects and use this understanding in my breeding program. Would commit themselves to a positive breeding program aimed at eradicating such hereditary diseases or defects known or suspected within my breed.

16. Would be honest and forthright in notifying any genetic or heritable diseases found to be in any dogs I have bred and pass on any information required to help breeders make necessary choices in their breeding program.

17. Would not breed a litter unless he/she had the time and facilities to devote proper care and attention to the rearing of the puppies and to the well being of the dam.

18. Any dog/puppy in his/her care would receive immediate professional attention should it become ill.

19. Would continue to offer helpful assistance to any puppy/adult dog buyer as long as such assistance is required.

20. All dogs in the breeders care would be adequately housed in clean, comfortable and weatherproof accommodation with a minimum of 2 hours off lead and exercise with appropriate stimulation and companionship per day.

21. All dogs in care would be under control at all times, housing and exercise areas kept clean and all care taken to limit possible disturbance to neighbours.

22. Would lead by example and advocate responsible dog ownership.

23. Would microchip all animals as prescribed by law. All follow up paper work will be fulfilled and sent to the appropriate canine authority.

24. Would exhibit and promote excellence in the discipline and practice of dog breeding.

25. Would encourage the exchange of knowledge, of technical, practical and ethical matters between breeders.

26. Would act and advise in accordance and within the parameters of his/her experience.

That's not just "any" breeder, that's a Master Dog Breeder & Associates breeder that agrees to and abides by that code of conduct. :D

I'm not sure why you've chosen the MDBA breeders COC and then edited out any references to the MDBA

[rottiadora]

That's not just "any" breeder, that's a Master Dog Breeder & Associates breeder that agrees to and abides by that code of conduct.

Yes it is. (I am a member by the way) I used it and edited because the points are honestly something I would look for in any breeder. MDBA or not.

Edited November 10, 2009 by rottiadora