amy_h Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I'm wondering, really, how long has the Pit Bull really been banned from importation to Australia? There is a website i regularly visit that advertises APBT pups for sale with American papers - how totally irresponsible is that? i mean, for starters aren't all APBT in Australia supposed to be desexed in accordance to legislation? and further open promotion blatantly flaunting ownership, profit from and breeding - isn't this just hurting the antiBSL cause? If i were the owner of a APBT in this current hostile climate, i certainly wouldn't be shouting out about it. Having said that, i have previously owned APBT crosses and i hate to admit it, these dogs were less temperamentally reliable than our other dogs. All fed the same diet, all the same amount of work and attention and exercise and socialisation. (we have pig dogs). Yes they were lovely by nature but after owning three, i can say that i could never trust these dogs around strangers even in my attendence quite as much as i could our other dogs. Of course you could never fully trust any dog, after all they are creatures of there own devices, but the pitty crosses were just that little bit more sensitive. Now i'm not saying i support BSL in any way, but it does take a firm and experienced hand to bring out the best in an APBT or a cross. And these backyard bred ones bred by yobbos to make a buck - well there's the reason the breed has a poor reputation. There needs to be a greater effort amongst APBT nad cross owners to ensure their dogs welfare by doing something about the backyard breeding that is creating a generation of in bred, ill tempered dogs - as they would be in any breed that was backyard bred, but with the pit bulls natural tenacity and strength, is only a recipe for further accusations and damage of the breed. APBT proved they weren't the dog for me, and i'm personally not really a fan of them but i understand the love for a dog regardless of his heritage and his place in your heart, and it pains me to see the honest people get jibbed when these suspect looking 'breeders' can blatantly flaunt their disregard for the future of the dog they profit from (cos they obviously don't care about anything else) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 The prohibitive dog imports have been here just 2 yrs short of 20 yrs all ready!, yep I think its a well flop of a thing lol. just like the german shepherd prohibitions were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_h Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 The prohibitive dog imports have been here just 2 yrs short of 20 yrs all ready!, yep I think its a well flop of a thing lol. just like the german shepherd prohibitions were. So technically, there wouldn't be too many real ones left anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjc Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 the german shepard law was a flop because they had a ton of support to proove otherwise and the general shepard owner is different to the general pitbull owner. and the other dogs have no support because they arnt supposed to exist here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 the german shepard law was a flop because they had a ton of support to proove otherwise and the general shepard owner is different to the general pitbull owner. and the other dogs have no support because they arnt supposed to exist here. The German Shepherd was never subject to the same degree of restriction as the APBT nor was it restricted in as many states. GSD people also did a lot of hard work to improve the image of their breed. Circling the wagons and telling everyone they were wrong about the dogs didn't seem to feature much in their campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laeral Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 the german shepard law was a flop because they had a ton of support to proove otherwise and the general shepard owner is different to the general pitbull owner. and the other dogs have no support because they arnt supposed to exist here. The German Shepherd was never subject to the same degree of restriction as the APBT nor was it restricted in as many states. GSD people also did a lot of hard work to improve the image of their breed. Circling the wagons and telling everyone they were wrong about the dogs didn't seem to feature much in their campaigns. Sorry to go OT. But I am curious as to what the strategy was regarding the German Shepherd ban. I wasn't involved in the breed then and have not much of an idea of what happened. Was there lots of lobbying and if so how was it presented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjc Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 the german shepard law was a flop because they had a ton of support to proove otherwise and the general shepard owner is different to the general pitbull owner. and the other dogs have no support because they arnt supposed to exist here. The German Shepherd was never subject to the same degree of restriction as the APBT nor was it restricted in as many states. GSD people also did a lot of hard work to improve the image of their breed. Circling the wagons and telling everyone they were wrong about the dogs didn't seem to feature much in their campaigns. poodlefan you have put what i was tying to say in better words, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I was talking about the import prohibitions being a flop, sure if anyone wishes to believe no one imports dogs banned from import go ahead and believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBT Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 The prohibitive dog imports have been here just 2 yrs short of 20 yrs all ready!, yep I think its a well flop of a thing lol. just like the german shepherd prohibitions were. So technically, there wouldn't be too many real ones left anyway? not at all, still plenty of good breeders with great bloodines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBT Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I was talking about the import prohibitions being a flop, sure if anyone wishes to believe no one imports dogs banned from import go ahead and believe it. yah the APBT is still getting imported, weather its the pups or the frozen seamen there still getting here. Papers and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldchow Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Those passionate about their breed will never be legislated out of existance, they just go underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjc Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 they are allready underground and have been for years , they have been given no other choice if they want to keep their dogs. its not something that has effected me as i follow the laws and i dont fancy myself as a breeder there are enough of all breeds of dogs around as it is. but it is also sad that lots and lots of people have shipped dogs out of state or even culled dogs off rather than let them be killed by a council or get into the wrong hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incavale Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 The German Shepherd was never subject to the same degree of restriction as the APBT nor was it restricted in as many states. There was a Federal Government import ban on any German Shepherd Dog until 27 November 1972. I'd say that was pretty restrictive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roguedog Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 all I can say is thank god they lifted the GSD ban, just wishing they would learn from back then and lift the APBT ban too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy_h Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 The prohibitive dog imports have been here just 2 yrs short of 20 yrs all ready!, yep I think its a well flop of a thing lol. just like the german shepherd prohibitions were. So technically, there wouldn't be too many real ones left anyway? not at all, still plenty of good breeders with great bloodines. So back to my whole point - LEGALLY there shouldn't be any though if you take into consideration the length of time since the origianl ban and then BSL restriction on breeding and requirement to have all APBT and their crosses desexed? I'm not so silly as to believe that restricted breeds aren't imported. I understand that owners of APBT love their dogs but isn't blatantly flaunting the law on sale and breeding only harming the cause? And i'm pointing the finger at those who breed purely for profit by advertising overpriced pups with no guarantees and promoting their dog's fearsome reputation. Every photo that accompanies such advertisements shows chained dogs (with bloody heavy chains), and highlights the dog's prowess as a 'protector' - These 'Breeders' are the reason the breed has such a hard time promoting the attributes of the breed - rather they focus on promoting the APBT as a fearsome dog, and a cash cow, because the wankers that are breeding them attract further wankers who don't understand the dog's tenacious nature and can't handle them properly and create ill tempered poorly socialised dogs who unfortunately do attack and create more drama for the legitimate pet owners. I don't think it can be argued unfotunately that the breed attracts undesirable types due to their history, and how they are portrayed by the media including movies and tv programs - if it's a guard dog or its barking ferociously or tring to attack somoene out the front of a criminals home - its a PB. APBT owners are fighting an uphill battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Its all how you choose to look at it I dont think its an uphill battle at all, far from it. We do have problems with bad breeders this is fact and its very frustrating, but the same is seen in all popular breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) If i were the owner of a APBT in this current hostile climate, i certainly wouldn't be shouting out about it. Having said that, i have previously owned APBT crosses and i hate to admit it, these dogs were less temperamentally reliable than our other dogs. All fed the same diet, all the same amount of work and attention and exercise and socialisation. (we have pig dogs). Yes they were lovely by nature but after owning three, i can say that i could never trust these dogs around strangers even in my attendence quite as much as i could our other dogs. Of course you could never fully trust any dog, after all they are creatures of there own devices, but the pitty crosses were just that little bit more sensitive. I'm a vet nurse and volunteer carer and I've had both close contact and have had many breeds over the years: Pittys, Staffies, Cattledogs, Kelpies, etc and Rotties of course. I can tell you the breeds that stands out as the easiest to treat and most people friendly to be around is the Pitty's and Staffy's. Ask any vet and they will tell you the same thing. They are a terrier so they need be watched around other animals but no more than any other terriers. They are a strong dog and that needs to be taken into account. Wa;lk into a strangers yard with a Cattledog or Pitty. I'd take the Pitty any day. Edited November 2, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) :rolleyes: I'm wondering, really, how long has the Pit Bull really been banned from importation to Australia? There is a website i regularly visit that advertises APBT pups for sale with American papers - how totally irresponsible is that? i mean, for starters aren't all APBT in Australia supposed to be desexed in accordance to legislation? and further open promotion blatantly flaunting ownership, profit from and breeding - isn't this just hurting the antiBSL cause? American papers.. What sort?? They could be duel registered in America as American Staffordshire Terriers and American Pit Bull Terriers. Then they are quite legal in Australia to import, to own and to breed. If they are registered with the AKC as an AmStaff then they would have an ANKC recognised pedigree. Therefore legal. We see a dual registered entire AmStaff/APBT and his pups quite regularly. Edited November 2, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiara Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The prohibitive dog imports have been here just 2 yrs short of 20 yrs all ready!, yep I think its a well flop of a thing lol. just like the german shepherd prohibitions were. So technically, there wouldn't be too many real ones left anyway? not at all, still plenty of good breeders with great bloodines. So back to my whole point - LEGALLY there shouldn't be any though if you take into consideration the length of time since the origianl ban and then BSL restriction on breeding and requirement to have all APBT and their crosses desexed? I'm not so silly as to believe that restricted breeds aren't imported. I understand that owners of APBT love their dogs but isn't blatantly flaunting the law on sale and breeding only harming the cause? And i'm pointing the finger at those who breed purely for profit by advertising overpriced pups with no guarantees and promoting their dog's fearsome reputation. Every photo that accompanies such advertisements shows chained dogs (with bloody heavy chains), and highlights the dog's prowess as a 'protector' - These 'Breeders' are the reason the breed has such a hard time promoting the attributes of the breed - rather they focus on promoting the APBT as a fearsome dog, and a cash cow, because the wankers that are breeding them attract further wankers who don't understand the dog's tenacious nature and can't handle them properly and create ill tempered poorly socialised dogs who unfortunately do attack and create more drama for the legitimate pet owners. I don't think it can be argued unfotunately that the breed attracts undesirable types due to their history, and how they are portrayed by the media including movies and tv programs - if it's a guard dog or its barking ferociously or tring to attack somoene out the front of a criminals home - its a PB. APBT owners are fighting an uphill battle. Exactly. If the owners and breeders of APBTs want people in the community to view their dogs as friendly, family friendly etc, why on earth do they present their dogs like that? Putting a chain and spiked collar on your dog doesn't help build your breed's reputation, especially when people are already scared of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottiadora Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 (edited) Exactly. If the owners and breeders of APBTs want people in the community to view their dogs as friendly, family friendly etc, why on earth do they present their dogs like that? Putting a chain and spiked collar on your dog doesn't help build your breed's reputation, especially when people are already scared of them. That's the trouble isn't it. Although I think the owners who are not as you describe are less visible. Seems to be a human trait to see and remember the worst, especially if egged on by media and the fear brigade. Yes it is true, there are wankers, but please don't put all APBT/AmStaff owners in the same box. They are a very family friendly breed, much like their 1st cousin the Staffy. Definitely up there with the best! If not the best. EDIT - I just watched "Flashdance". The girls dog is a Pit Bull. Positive images of a Pit Bull on screen. The Ken Burns documentary "Horatio's drive - America's First Road Trip" has a Pit Bull named Bud in it. Worth seeing. The first dog (in a car) to cross America. He looks cute in his goggles! Some of the old Charlie Chaplin films had his dog (Pit Bull) in them. There is a recent movie called "Dog Jack". Its the true story of a pit bull terrier who was a hero during the Civil War. Edited November 2, 2009 by rottiadora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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