Editing Images

[Ashanali]

I didn't know Jenny had a superiority complex and I didn't know I was a purist - you

learn all kinds of stuff via dol

some people appear to feel 'superior'

that possibly says

correction - I would never say that someone has a superiority complex. That is just rude.

As you can see by where I have quoted myself above. I said it could appear that way and to me it possibly means that. But at no point did I say that Rubiton had a superiority complex. I was very specific about the way I wrote it due to the fact that I have been on Rubiton's side of the argument and said the exact same things in the past.

Please don't misconstrue my words.

Edited August 23, 2009 by Ashanali

[chezzyr]

I just got up and am already tired . Not overly interested in debating use of words or how they come across

or what people really meant or whether I wrongly used capitals.

Actually Ash, I didn't say that *you* said, it was a general comment. The purist comments

and gossip started long before you mentioned it in this thread so you can relax.

[Poo d'état]

Sounds like it works well for those who choose to use lightroom etc.

I prefer to get what I want when I take it - thats the challenge of photography to me for the photos I take.

Nothing wrong with either method if it works though.

There are so many assumptions made in the above statement:

"I prefer to get what I want when I take it - thats the challenge of photography to me for the photos I take." - You're assuming that everyone else isn't and doesn't? It's photography 101 (whether you're shooting film or digital) that you get the best shot you can in the exposure stage. If you can get every single shot bang on from the get go, then good for you, but, alas, not everyone is perfect, and editing programs, like most technology these days (including that DSLR you're shooting with and the little screen on the back of the camera ) are here to make life easier a let you make alterations if and when needed. Shunning editing makes about as much sense as shunning digital cameras.

And for the record, i'm not trying to sway anyone to do anything differently, broke or not, just sayin' there are a lot of assumptions made about people who do do things differently.

[PossumCorner]

... there are a lot of assumptions made about people ....

I so agree. I was quite narked when I was put in the "purist" basket a while ago, and read it as a not so veiled cheap and nasty shot at my age rather than purism. So I backed off big-time, sensitive thin skinned me. I don't do polls because the results are always skewed, for the record here I only shoot Raw, I edit everything in CS4.

In general, I don't think anyone in our photo threads has a superiority complex, or the opposite. There is a bit of ego bubbling which is good, artists need to have some ego or wouldn't cut it. Group hug in Aisle 4.

[Guest Tess32]

Maybe Rubiton is happy with the results she is getting now (and her system) and if it aint broke why fix it??

Having shot horse events before I understand where she is coming from and having seen her work I know its good.

Most dog EVENTS I will shoot in jpeg for the simple fact that the file sizes are smaller to deal with and store.

Plus the fact that MOST dog people will only want something smallish with minor mods to put on a website, dogzonline profile etc. Jpegs are fine for that.

If its a special shoot for ad layouts or art (or where I KNOW more use will be made of the images) then I shoot in both RAW and jpeg.

Why is "EVENTS" is capitals?

I shoot dog EVENTS too. (although I don't advertise it)

I shoot them in RAW (not yelling )

Yep - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's fine, however I was more discussing the point that some people appear to feel 'superior' to those who choose to shoot RAW (eg -

I prefer to get what I want when I take it - thats the challenge of photography to me for the photos I take

) to me that possibly says, "I'm better than you because I can take one jpg image and you all have to edit RAW because you can't get it right."

My example was simply to show that even someone who IS better than most photographers has changed over - not because his photos weren't perfectly captured - because anyone who has seen his SOOC images can vouch for the fact that they are friggen amazing as they are... but because of ease of workflow.

I know it might come as a shock to many, but there are plenty of photographers out there who can nail their exposures and they still choose to shoot in RAW. (and I am one of these people, and so is my husband and I bet there are other people on DOL also who could do this.)

I am all for Rubiton not changing what works for her. That's fine and I have seen samples of her work and agree that they are great. My issue is with the superiority complex that seems to accompany the whole, "I shoot in jpg" issue.

ftr - Shooting in RAW is something that I resisted for ages also - I can see both sides of the argument.

I read it the same way, to be honest.

At dog shows I shoot RAW if it's inside at KCC for eg.....but if it's outside I would shoot jpeg as the exposure isn't difficult.

[Ashanali]

Group hug in Aisle 4.

[chezzyr]

'seph has probably gone into hiding now

Edited August 23, 2009 by chezzyr

[Ashanali]

'seph has probably gone into hiding now

Do they no longer have fingers to type? You seem to do alot of talking for people lately?

[chezzyr]

I really let myself down coming back to dol.

But there were photos I wanted to share with people. I did that yesterday.

No more to say at the moment. Sitting here is just going to make me

paranoid about every little thing I type.

[Ashanali]

I really let myself down coming back to dol.

But there were photos I wanted to share with people. I did that yesterday.

No more to say at the moment. Sitting here is just going to make me

paranoid about every little thing I type.

Don't be like that.

It's all in your head. At no point have I been name calling or running down what anyone says or does. It's all personal choice. Just as you are defending someone who chooses to work one way, I am defending those who choose to work another - it is as simple as that and yet now you say you really let yourself down.

There is nothing wrong with healthy debate, the trick is to not get caught up in it.

ftr - Yesterday I had a look through every single image in the links you posted - great works and very touching. That Dzhoum (I don't know how it's spelt) looks like a very cuddly dog.

[rubiton]

Superiority complex - whoops sorry was trying to make a point will be far more careful in future when discussing photography. Was just saying you dont have to shoot raw & edit everything to be happy with your own photography. For myself personally I am useless at graphic design or arty stuff so set my own goal to get what I want in the camera. Photoshop will often save you if you make errors but my type of photography just doesnt have the images to put the special effects on (such as Luke Ws dogs on the bridge that he amended the colour and sepia toned a month or two back - this is an example of images that can be enhanced in PS) - you either get it right or you discard it.

[Ashanali]

Superiority complex - whoops sorry was trying to make a point will be far more careful in future when discussing photography. Was just saying you dont have to shoot raw & edit everything to be happy with your own photography. For myself personally I am useless at graphic design or arty stuff so set my own goal to get what I want in the camera. Photoshop will often save you if you make errors but my type of photography just doesnt have the images to put the special effects on (such as Luke Ws dogs on the bridge that he amended the colour and sepia toned a month or two back - this is an example of images that can be enhanced in PS) - you either get it right or you discard it.

read again - nobody said you had a superiority complex.

and again, so it doesn't get taken the wrong way, I'll explain that this isn't directed at Rubiton, this is information for those who might be reading the thread and thinking the wrong things about PS and Lightroom. PS and Lightroom aren't just about applying arty stuff and effects. Lightroom is a tool that can be used as a part of general workflow. Very rarely will effects be applied in lightroom (we do sometimes, but that isn't standard) - THAT is usually saved for PS. PS can also be used as a workflow tool. I have recently discovered scripts and they are awesome.

[kja]

I just wanted to say that shooting RAW or jpeg makes NO difference to wanting to get it right in camera. That's bollocks and one of the reason I was scared to move to RAW for so long. Same with being nervous about all the "extra editing" I'd have to do. Bollocks again. My biggest regret is not moving to RAW right away. The data the camera threw away using jpeg can never be gotten back and that does impact the final product sometimes - with or without big changes to the original.

I still get it right in camera. I spend less time in editing. My data is better which gives me more room to do whatever I want with the image now or in the future.

Do whatever you want & be happy. Use what works for the situation and for your needs/interests. But please let's remember that people who haven't adapted a style or routine are reading these threads and scaring them by implying they aren't striving for perfection in camera or they are going to have to spend hours wasting away in front of their computers tediously editing images if they shoot RAW is ridiculous. Shooting in RAW isn't about being able to fix errors later (though it may be a lovely side benefit).

/soapbox

Edited August 23, 2009 by kja

[kja]

. PS can also be used as a workflow tool. I have recently discovered scripts and they are awesome.

Are scripts like actions?

[Ashanali]

. PS can also be used as a workflow tool. I have recently discovered scripts and they are awesome.

Are scripts like actions?

Yep. Very handy for things such as creating proofs for clients, we can use a script rather than creating an action. Takes about 30 seconds to set up a script as the information is all right in front of you, no having to record the action and testing it first.

[Poo d'état]

I just wanted to say that shooting RAW or jpeg makes NO difference to wanting to get it right in camera.

Just reiterating for emphasis.

The data the camera threw away using jpeg can never be gotten back and that does impact the final product sometimes - with or without big changes to the original.

That's why i don't understand why there has ever been a RAW vs JPG debate - if the technology is there for you to save your pictures in a non-lossy format, why would you choose to shoot in a lossy one, even if you don't end up doing any editing? (besides data storage concerns)

I also don't understand the perception that it takes hours upon hours to tweak or add effects to photos. It simply doesn't. If you're editing (culling) in computer (as opposed to in camera, which you should never do anyway) and have your images on screen anyway, even if you don't have presets or actions customised, adjusting levels/curves takes about an extra 10-15 seconds, effects (vignetting etc) maybe another half to one minute if you know what you're doing. I'll wager that Luke would've spent a maximum of a few minutes on that sepia shot of Barkley (or i could be completely off ).

[raz]

I was quite narked when I was put in the "purist" basket a while ago

Why narked? It's not a dirty word, you know. I find this argument really petty - they're two different mediums. Chalk and cheese.

And to answer the OP. I dont edit - I'm a dirty purist!!!

Edited August 23, 2009 by raz

[Ashanali]

And to answer the OP. I dont edit - I'm a dirty purist!!!

Does this mean I can call you a Drrrty Grrrl?

[raz]

No way - must be DIRTY PURIST AND PROUD, Ash.

[Ashanali]

Okay, you can go sit in the dirty purist corner then...