Sheridan Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Grumpy has been full of beans all day. He had a bone around 5.30, just half a lamb's neck. Normally from around 5.45 onwards he comes to harass me about dinner and this steadily grows to constant whinging around 6.00. Nothing like that tonight. He came out around 6.15 and sat on the couch. Then he moved to sit on next to the heater. I checked him and said do you want your dinner, which would normally be a little song and dance. He got up and went to the bedroom. His tail was completely flat and didn't wag when I gave him a cuddle. He's been on the bed for a while. He didn't wake up when I put some Ziwipeak on the bed next to him, not until I clapped my hands. He's very down but doesn't seem to be in any pain. His tummy is a little noisy but this is normal when he has a bone. His breathing is normal; he's just quiet and withdrawn. Any ideas? Edited August 3, 2009 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 No- sorry - it could be anything, from pain, to onset of illness... if you know what his pulse does normally- check that .. what is his capillary refill like? (press a finger firmly on a gum.. leave for a couple of seconds..then count how long til gum turns pink again.... ) it should only take a second or two to go back to pink.If it takes ages- call the vet... does his skin feel hot/cold? Hopefully he just has a bit of a tummy ache. Will he drink some milk/water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 He's asleep at the moment and I don't want to wake him (given he's why the phrase 'let sleeping dogs like' was invented). He hasn't drunk anything since coming in from having his bone. He woke up when Mini told a car off for driving down the street but he didn't get up. He doesn't seem to be in pain (don't know what his normal pulse is) and he doesn't seem to be sick, just down and quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Hope he's ok... just that there is usually a reason to be so flat.... maybe he'll feel happier later on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 If a piece of bone got caught and was blocking something, what would the symptoms be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 If a piece of bone got caught and was blocking something, what would the symptoms be? probably more restlessness... maybe trying to vomit? Not 100%certain, but I doubt he would just go off to sleep... I probably would have phoned a vet by now.... if he is acting so much out of character... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 I just phoned the emergency vet as you were posting. They were all 'If you think he's not well ...' which wasn't helpful. He's not trying to vomit, he's asleep again. He seemed more uncomfortable with me on the bed so I got off. It's not obviously anything wrong, it's just out of character, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 not obviously anything wrong, Ok- however to my mind- anything way out of character/routine signifies a problem. Sorry the vet wasn't more helpful... but guess they do need to hear more info - like pulse rate- colour, signs of pain, etc... tricky for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 I took him to the vet (not his, an emergency one). She couldn't find a blockage but said his tummy was upset. She gave him an injection of a drug called Tramal. Avoid it. Big time. It's turned him into a spaceman. He didn't know who I was, still doesn't and is still in the car because he wouldn't/couldn't get out. I rang his own vet this morning and he suggested that we wait until it wears off and if he's still dopey to bring him in this afternoon. I've had an absolutely shiteful night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Rules Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Tramal is quite a strong painkiller and it gives me hallucinations - I don't like it myself at all, hate to think what it might do to a pet Hope everything is OK with Grumpy. Appetite is always a teller from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Tramal is a synthetic morphine and yes it does do strange things to pets and people.( I have had it and I felt like I was walking in space). Hope your normal Vet is more helpful and can work out why your furkid is not himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 The reason I agreed to the Tramal was because she said it was so mild that it's not even a controlled substance. Well, it bloody should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Temgesic is milder than Tramal and I have seen dogs that have had temgesic they haven't had any weird side effects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 I just checked on him. He's just asleep in the back of the car. He hasn't drunk anything but he wasn't dehydrated last night, which is good. I'll leave him sleep and see how he is in half an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Oh dear definitely not a good night for either of you She couldn't find a blockage so she did xrays/barium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merijigs Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hi Sheridan, If he's sleeping that's a good sign that he's recovering and healing. It does seem as though the drug given to him was the cause of his extreme behaviour. But don't blame the emergency vet.s too much. Imagine all the animals they must see at all hours and each with a different medical history and temperament. Ok they said it was mild and it wasn't. Just let them know about the outcome for yourself and Grumpy last night. For your boy it wasn't helpful at all. I feel hopeful that he will be back to his normal self by this evening. His advancing age is always a factor. Love to Miss Minnie and you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Oh dear definitely not a good night for either of you She couldn't find a blockage so she did xrays/barium? No ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 sometimes lamb necks have a huge lump of fat in them, was it like that, I always try to remove that fat lump for fear of pancreatitis. I hope you boy is feeling better soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hi Sheridan,If he's sleeping that's a good sign that he's recovering and healing. It does seem as though the drug given to him was the cause of his extreme behaviour. But don't blame the emergency vet.s too much. Imagine all the animals they must see at all hours and each with a different medical history and temperament. Ok they said it was mild and it wasn't. Just let them know about the outcome for yourself and Grumpy last night. For your boy it wasn't helpful at all. I feel hopeful that he will be back to his normal self by this evening. His advancing age is always a factor. Love to Miss Minnie and you. He's "Grumpy" for a reason, as you know. Maybe it just brought that to the fore (?). His vet suggested that he had a mild seizure earlier, though of course he's just guessing having not seen him. Folks, I actually phoned Merijigs at an ungodly hour last night for advice and she was completely brilliant as usual. Thanks heaps. Missy Min sends wiggy wags of her tail to her Mummy No. 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 His vet suggested that he had a mild seizure earlier That's a possibility.... poor old Grumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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