fainty_girl Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Tilly is quite the free spirit if she is out of the house. I don't really associate the term 'defiance' with dogs though. If i'm at the park with Tilly playing fetch and she ignores a familiar command, something that i've found works with her is turning and walking in the opposite direction (ideally towards the car) and that seems to send her the message of if she's not going to listen then we'll go home. It doesn't work all of the time, but it is reasonably effective for Tilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 What Staranais said.. again :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted August 1, 2009 Author Share Posted August 1, 2009 What would a dog have to do to be called defiant, then? What is defiance if it's not choosing to loudly and conspicuously not do what has been asked? It's going off on a bit of a tangent because everyone has pretty much answered my question anyway, but I'm curious again. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black magic Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 :D Sorry dumb question alert, but what is NRM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 What would a dog have to do to be called defiant, then? What is defiance if it's not choosing to loudly and conspicuously not do what has been asked?It's going off on a bit of a tangent because everyone has pretty much answered my question anyway, but I'm curious again. :D I don't think defiance is such a good word to apply to dogs - it implies a conscious decision to rebel whereas it's more a case of balancing different levels of motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 :D Sorry dumb question alert, but what is NRM? Not a dumb question! NRM stands for non-reward marker. For example, I will say to Zig "oh well" if his behaviour is not appropriate. Very calmly, I might add. For him it means: "You have not performed that correctly, therefore you miss out on a chance to earn a reward. You can have another chance at completing the behaviour successfully." It's actually a form of negative punishment as you are taking away (negative) the reward to reduce the occurrence of a behaviour (punishment). Used carefully it's a wonderful tool. When I give a NRM Zig wags his tail and tries harder the next time. Hope that makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black magic Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Thank you :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 What would a dog have to do to be called defiant, then? Not let the "bad guy" move. That's pretty defiant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 What do you do when your dog defies you? Example, you give a command and pup barks and whines at you instead of doing it and you KNOW they know it. How old is pup? What is submissive in the litter? Frustration barking as mentioned by others can be significant especially when very young. Leant. Watch two dogs, one with a valued reward..the other submissive dog, vocalises. Regardless barking is a behaviour to do not wish to encourage....so............................................. .train........reward for correct responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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