newfsie Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I've done something wrong now. Tonight he wont do his automatic sits, instead he stands like a dog that has no idea what a automatic sit is.Stands were really good, only had to correct him once. And he stayed in the stand position offlead... Training is going fantastic with him seeing we only joined the club on Sunday. YIPPEE Yes that is what happened to us when we first got the stand...it happened with both of ours. Just keep going :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickojoy Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 I've done something wrong now. Tonight he wont do his automatic sits, instead he stands like a dog that has no idea what a automatic sit is.Stands were really good, only had to correct him once. And he stayed in the stand position offlead... Training is going fantastic with him seeing we only joined the club on Sunday. YIPPEE :D Yes that is what happened to us when we first got the stand...it happened with both of ours. Just keep going So its normal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Erny, I will try and do some random stuff to see if it comes back to him. I really want the OH coming home in a couple of weeks and we are at a standard ready for his CCD. If not, I will just have to explain that i didn't understand But I think he would want to kill me! It will take you alot longer than a couple of weeks to get to trialling standard. Closer to a couple of years for your first dog. (to get a high scoring one) My advice is to forget club and find a trialling mentor to speed your learning process up. There is much to stuff up on your first trialling dog. Hell knows.....I think we all did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickojoy Posted July 31, 2009 Author Share Posted July 31, 2009 Erny, I will try and do some random stuff to see if it comes back to him. I really want the OH coming home in a couple of weeks and we are at a standard ready for his CCD. If not, I will just have to explain that i didn't understand But I think he would want to kill me! It will take you alot longer than a couple of weeks to get to trialling standard. Closer to a couple of years for your first dog. (to get a high scoring one) My advice is to forget club and find a trialling mentor to speed your learning process up. There is much to stuff up on your first trialling dog. Hell knows.....I think we all did! But when it comes to offlead work, who is there with other dogs to practice with? You need distractions around for the dog when training, plus with them around he is very focused on me and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Hi nicojoy An obedience club focus on their bread and butter (pets), and their programs are not designed specifically for trialling (through the grades) What they do,.....is train you to train a well behaved pet, then the people wanting to go on to trial, find out that what they have actually being teaching all that time,was how to bore the hell out of their dog. Then you find you have to almost totally retrain your dog to compete with the top trialling dogs, that had their drive nurtured from an 8 week old pup, and have never done 10 minute block heeling let alone almost an hour.(obedience class) They are first trained "how to learn", then focus, then the rest. They have been carefully socialised with a few known dogs, but rarely aloud to romp around with other dogs ad lib at off leash parks. When they do go down to the obedience club, their owners don't let just anybody aproach them to "say hello" (a constant danger at clubs) Their owners generally work them outside of the mainstream classes, to protect their dogs drive levels, and the general boredom of sitting around waiting for a clueless novice to walk up to them with a known aggressive dog, wanting to see if their dog still has agression issues. Their owners do not practice block heeling at home, and only tend to tie all the part exercises together during a ring run through (trialling class normally) or a trial. The only reason they go to club is for the distractions (not necessarily in a class) Their owners know that their dog just needs great focus in a trial, and is not expected to work shoulder to shoulder with another dog (as in a class), except during the stays (probably the only other reason why their owner is at the club). If you really want to train a high scoring dog, you need to use methods that the top triallers use, and you will rarely see them on display at a club, because the top triallers never expect their dogs to ever learn anything new in that enviroment. This is why I recommend hooking up with the most sucessful trialler that you can find. They are not always easy to find, but most are very approachable, and will often take you under their wings if you stroke their egos a bit. Not all clubs have highly decorated triallers, so be prepared to look outside your club. Go to a few of the local obediece trials of a weekend, and look for yourself who is doing all the winning (normally the same select few). Strike up a convo and away you go. P.S There are a number on this very forum, who would give you many of the tips you need, to send you in the right direction. Use the club later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Very interesting dogdude. I know what you mean about the block heeling. It's boring as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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