Samoyed

[Bjelkier]

Hi Everyone,

I need some assistance. I am about to purchase my first Samoyed puppy from one of Victorias Registered breeders. The puppy we are getting has one blue eye and one brown. Does anyone have any pictures of adult females with 1 blue 1 brown to see what she will look like when shes older? Also should I be paying pure bred price for this pup seeing I cannot breed or show her in the future? Any info on blue eyed samoyeds would be great.

Thanks

Hi Trismunky all I can say is PM Icemist.

He has been a breeder for a very long time and will be able to give you some good advice

[trismunky]

Hi Everyone,

I need some assistance. I am about to purchase my first Samoyed puppy from one of Victorias Registered breeders. The puppy we are getting has one blue eye and one brown. Does anyone have any pictures of adult females with 1 blue 1 brown to see what she will look like when shes older? Also should I be paying pure bred price for this pup seeing I cannot breed or show her in the future? Any info on blue eyed samoyeds would be great.

Thanks

Hi Trismunky all I can say is PM Icemist.

He has been a breeder for a very long time and will be able to give you some good advice

Thanks wolfsong, I sent a message to Icemist. Hopfully he will have some info. If anyone else out there has seen a pure bred with blue eye please let me know of your experience.

[toughgirl27]

I've seen Kalaska's Samoyeds and they are all stunning!!!!

Hi All,

I think Kalaska are the best Sammie breeder's in Victoria.

XXToughgirlXX

I agree, Kalaska have bred some beautiful dogs... Aussie is absoloutely stunning!

What makes you say they are the best?

[Bindii]

When you quote someone you have to write after the /quote

All Samoyeds are stunning

[Icemist]

I've spoken to the other half, and he said he's happy to consider a samoyed if the ones we meet are good enough. Can anyone recommend any in SA, or would you recomend one interstate that would be really worth flying a pup interstate for if the quality is that much better

I breeder's site i was looking at said you must be prepared for digging, barking and pulling on leashes.. That this is common and expected.

Even with training?

which sex do you prefer? why?

Is there a price difference male/female?

Does coat condition or volume change if being desexed.

Does coat stain after seasons? or are the girls generally good at keeping that clean?

What age are samoyeds generally puppies for?

Is Samoyed theft common?

Do pups need restricted play untill they are grown?

Hi

I havent been into this thread for a while. I thought I would just add a few things.

I breeder's site i was looking at said you must be prepared for digging, barking and pulling on leashes.. That this is common and expected.

Even with training?

Samoyeds are a very intelligent, active and alert dog. They do get board. If they are board, like most dogs, even humans, they will look to make there own fun, like digging, pulling up plants etc. If you have suitable toys, or even a play mate, they are fine. They will pull on leads, like any dog, it is just training that is neede. Basic obedience classes and puppy school is a good start, both for socialisation and obedience.

which sex do you prefer? why?

In all my years of showing and training Samoyeds, Bitches are smarter. Male dogs should be more masculine, be bigger and carry more coat, and of course bitches should be more femine. As for a reference, if I was to go onto trialing, I would pick a bitch over a dog.

I also find dogs are more sooker over bitches. As a pet probably a male dog, as they are sooker, they tend to drop coat once a year, while a bitch twice and they do not come into season. But desexing would fix that last point.

Is there a price difference male/female?

As the othere have said, no difference.

Does coat condition or volume change if being desexed.

Yes,

the coat becomes more longer and thicker, especially in bitches.

Does coat stain after seasons? or are the girls generally good at keeping that clean?

NO, Not generally. Staining will usually occur in a Sammy for three main reasons, sunburnt, and the two most common is from a heated Hairdryer, and urine stains.

Most girls will also keep themselves clean.

What age are samoyeds generally puppies for?

Until they die. A Sammy will generally mature between the age of 3 to 5 years. But even as an oldie, they still show signs of puppiness.

Is Samoyed theft common?

It can be. I am aware of a few Samoyeds that have been taken from their yards, and have experienced it with a puppy I sold to a lovely couple in Sydney, where a young man jumped the fence, threw the dog over then was dragging it down the street.

It was a mirickle that someone stopped and told the boy off, the boy let go of the dog and bolted.

They got her back.

Do pups need restricted play untill they are grown?

I would say yes, to a point. As a puppy they should just be a puppy, play and play. Play as a younster is enough for the growing joints in a puppy to handle. My advice is they should not be taken for long walks during their early stages, and should not be walking up and down stairs.

[Icemist]

Thanks. How would you describe them with cats and things in general? Children also?

Are breeders against having dew claws removed? if it was asked when teh litter was born, do you think they'd find it acceptable to ask?

Are they known to escape like huskies? please excuse my possible silliness in asking this; i've just never met a samoyed.

With the dog being white coated, is there any sight and hearing issues?

What price range does one go for?

Thanks. How would you describe them with cats and things in general? Children also?

One thing they were breed for is a companion.

Very good with children, actually one of the best breeds possible to have around children. Trained, they live with cats and all sorts of animals.

I have a dog I bred that lives with Chickens.

Are breeders against having dew claws removed? if it was asked when teh litter was born, do you think they'd find it acceptable to ask?

Rear dew claws should be removed at birth. Front dew claws stay on. Most Samoyeds will be born without rear dew claws.

Are they known to escape like huskies? please excuse my possible silliness in asking this; i've just never met a samoyed.

very rarely, but if they are board, they might. they are also quite smart, and unless picked up by someone, will usually come home for dinner.

With the dog being white coated, is there any sight and hearing issues?

None that I have ever come across in Australia.

What price range does one go for?

usually $1300, but prices are going up.

[Icemist]

Thankyou again.

Lots of information.

Should a buyer be weary of a breeder selling entire litters on Main registration, or are Samoyed's generally not faulted enough to need to be on limited register?

It's 8 weeks fine to pick up your samoyed pup, or should they stay with mum and siblings longer then this time?

What about urine staining? any of that? And tear staining?

Wat sort of brushes, conditioners and other coat care should you use?

do they blow coat twice yearly for both sexes?

Should a buyer be weary of a breeder selling entire litters on Main registration, or are Samoyed's generally not faulted enough to need to be on limited register?

This is an interesting topic ..

Just because a puppy is on a limited register does not mean that there is anything wrong with the puppy. It brings a little bit of certainty to breeders.

If there is something wrong with a puppy, most good breeders will inform the buyer before purpasing.

No definetly not. I use both. I have been involved in Samoyeds, with my parents before me, since 1975.

The difference between the two registers is that with a main register, as the owner of the dog can do anything with the dog including breeding, EXPORTING the dog overseas, showing etc etc.

The Limited Registered means that the dog that you sell, puppies from this dog can not be registered any where in the world.

This dog, nor there puppies Can not be exported and registered overseas.

This also reduces any shonky backyard or exporters purchasing puppies.

What this means is that it reduces the chances of backyard puppy breeders obtaining one of your dogs to knock out litter after litter after litter.

This also reduces the chance of the dogs being sent overseas. AND YES THIS HAPPENS.

It has happend from a litter that one of my dogs sired. A person purchased TWO main registered puppies, and without the breeders knowledge, they were both sent to Hong Kong. The breeder found out only after looking in the VIC journal.

Years later she found out about them.

She was lucky they weren't sent overseas for the MEAT and FUR TRADE!!!!!! that does happen within this breed.

Do some breeders really care for this breed, or are thay just in it for popularity or money!

It's 8 weeks fine to pick up your samoyed pup, or should they stay with mum and siblings longer then this time?

8 weeks is usually the correct age to pick the puppy up.

What about urine staining? any of that? And tear staining?

Urine stain is hard to get out. It acuatlly burns the coat. There are many remedies to fix it, but it does take time.

Most puppies will get a little tear staining due to worming. Most breeders will reduce the staining before it goes.

If a puppy continually has problems with staining, weaping eyes, it is best to get them checked by a dog eye spesialist.

Wat sort of brushes, conditioners and other coat care should you use?

A love my Collie comb and pin brush. I have 7 different combs and 3 different types of brushes.

A blue shampoo is usually fine on a sammy, conditioning is usually not needed. But be careful with blue shampoo's as they can turn your dog blue, if not used the right way. A cheap good shampoo is Ruddocks Snow White, with the Sammy on the front.

do they blow coat twice yearly for both sexes?

the rule of thumb is Dogs once, bitches twice

[Icemist]

I've spoken to the other half, and he said he's happy to consider a samoyed if the ones we meet are good enough. Can anyone recommend any in SA, or would you recomend one interstate that would be really worth flying a pup interstate for if the quality is that much better

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As for breeders in VIC, as WS said,

Kalaska

Mezen

Snerzok

Aiebus

In SA, there are a few, but you will get better quality from VIC.

But it is best to look on DOL to find your closest breeder. I am aslo unsure how much SA puppies are.

[Icemist]

Here's a pic of my boy taken last weekend.. Snapped by the lovely Wolfsong! again!

Hi Bindii,

This photo is great. He looks lovely.

[Icemist]

I've seen Kalaska's Samoyeds and they are all stunning!!!!

Hi All,

I think Kalaska are the best Sammie breeder's in Victoria.

XXToughgirlXX

I agree, Kalaska have bred some beautiful dogs... Aussie is absoloutely stunning!

What makes you say they are the best?

I can see why toughgirl27 is coming from.

Kalaska are currently on a roll with their dogs and have won a lot in the last couple of years, and if anyone has the claim to be the top of the pops it is them.

They currently have a couple of very nice dogs out at them moment, and are doing well. But a little question I do ask anyone before making judgements, is how many puppies has any breeder knocked out to get those couple of nice dogs!

So heres a question for all, including the new sammy people, an outside observation would be great.

here it is:

"What makes a top breeder of Samoyeds, or any breed in fact"

Is it the number of champions

or may be the number of champions compared to the amount of puppies knocked out?

or exports

or imports

or other titles like obedience or hearding?

the manerisism and professionalism?

etc etc etc

[keroppiyo]

Play as a younster is enough for the growing joints in a puppy to handle. My advice is they should not be taken for long walks during their early stages, and should not be walking up and down stairs.

I'm a bit worried about this now. My 8 month old Samoyed, Buffy, just discovered upstairs of our house, and is always running up and down the stairs now. Her parents have really good hip scores though, so I think genes-wise she's fine, but I'd hate to stuff them up by letting her climb the stairs. Do you think it would be wise to put some kind of barrier to stop her doing this until she's a bit older?

[Bjelkier]

I've seen Kalaska's Samoyeds and they are all stunning!!!!

Hi All,

I think Kalaska are the best Sammie breeder's in Victoria.

XXToughgirlXX

I agree, Kalaska have bred some beautiful dogs... Aussie is absoloutely stunning!

What makes you say they are the best?

I can see why toughgirl27 is coming from.

Kalaska are currently on a roll with their dogs and have won a lot in the last couple of years, and if anyone has the claim to be the top of the pops it is them.

They currently have a couple of very nice dogs out at them moment, and are doing well. But a little question I do ask anyone before making judgements, is how many puppies has any breeder knocked out to get those couple of nice dogs!

So heres a question for all, including the new sammy people, an outside observation would be great.

here it is:

"What makes a top breeder of Samoyeds, or any breed in fact"

Is it the number of champions

or may be the number of champions compared to the amount of puppies knocked out?

or exports

or imports

or other titles like obedience or hearding?

the manerisism and professionalism?

etc etc etc

Personally I would say someone who is ethical and honnest with the buyer, does propper testing and is able to keep their breeding stock to what they believe is correct to the standard and not what is currently fashonable, look at the GSD, fashion gone horribly wrong!

Number of champions, well..... thats a tricky one, just because someone has had many litters and only a few champions dosn't mean their dogs are no good and the same time dosn't mean they are good and a part of me would wonder why they had say 100 litters and only 10 chamions. Honnestly I would ask them, straight out. Is it perhaps because they never sold to show homes? Do they only show the dogs themselves and sell everything else on limited reg? Everything is subjective, however if I knew for a fact that someone bred 100 litters, sold 50 of those to show homes and only 5 ended up as chamions I would be a little suss.

But I don't base my likes and dislikes on how highly titled a dog is or isnt, I base it one the lines of the dog, how I feel about how it looks and moves and the health tests results (and if possible, what the dog has thrown)

Anyone can have a petrol champion but it's much harder to fake health tests.

I don't take into account how many dogs they have imported - good for them, they have the money, anyone can bring in a dog

Exports - well I see that as two things, one they know people over seas and two people are interested in their lines, dosn't mean they are any good though

Other titles to me show that the dogs just arn't pretty and can infact work they way they were meant to, so I do like to see other titles on the dogs.

Personally I would really like to get herding titles for mine and maybe some sledding work for them too.

Mannerisims and Professionalism is always nice to have, it is a kind of business in the end anyway.

Off cause some people out there don't have the best people skills or might not have the newest or the best stuff but that dosn't mean they arn't honnest and good to the breed.

[Bjelkier]

Play as a younster is enough for the growing joints in a puppy to handle. My advice is they should not be taken for long walks during their early stages, and should not be walking up and down stairs.

I'm a bit worried about this now. My 8 month old Samoyed, Buffy, just discovered upstairs of our house, and is always running up and down the stairs now. Her parents have really good hip scores though, so I think genes-wise she's fine, but I'd hate to stuff them up by letting her climb the stairs. Do you think it would be wise to put some kind of barrier to stop her doing this until she's a bit older?

Everyone will have a different oppinion on this but my stance is going up a flight now and then is fine, running up and down is something I would be putting a stop to right away.

[Icemist]

Play as a younster is enough for the growing joints in a puppy to handle. My advice is they should not be taken for long walks during their early stages, and should not be walking up and down stairs.

I'm a bit worried about this now. My 8 month old Samoyed, Buffy, just discovered upstairs of our house, and is always running up and down the stairs now. Her parents have really good hip scores though, so I think genes-wise she's fine, but I'd hate to stuff them up by letting her climb the stairs. Do you think it would be wise to put some kind of barrier to stop her doing this until she's a bit older?

Everyone will have a different oppinion on this but my stance is going up a flight now and then is fine, running up and down is something I would be putting a stop to right away.

WS is right by saying everyone will have different opinions. And the odd up and down is fine, but as a puppy, there joints, hips, hocks, elbows, shoulders are still developing.

I would IMO not let her climb the stairs, put a child gate up.

I have seen too many good dogs with problems by being over exercised or continually running up and down stairs. Two come to mind strait away. Both show dogs.

One, a sensational male Samoyed in Sydney with lines that one would die for. He was continually walked up and down stairs to an appartment. By the age of 12 - 14 months of age, when it walked it looked like it was falling to bits, especially at the front. It was frightning to see it. On the stack (Stand) he would have been hard to beat, but on the move, you had to shed a tear. The dog was quickly withdrawn from the ring and never seen again. This dog had a combination of the problems. Scarey stuff.

[Icemist]

sorry double post

Edited March 9, 2010 by Icemist

[Bindii]

I've seen Kalaska's Samoyeds and they are all stunning!!!!

Hi All,

I think Kalaska are the best Sammie breeder's in Victoria.

XXToughgirlXX

I agree, Kalaska have bred some beautiful dogs... Aussie is absoloutely stunning!

What makes you say they are the best?

I can see why toughgirl27 is coming from.

Kalaska are currently on a roll with their dogs and have won a lot in the last couple of years, and if anyone has the claim to be the top of the pops it is them.

They currently have a couple of very nice dogs out at them moment, and are doing well. But a little question I do ask anyone before making judgements, is how many puppies has any breeder knocked out to get those couple of nice dogs!

So heres a question for all, including the new sammy people, an outside observation would be great.

here it is:

"What makes a top breeder of Samoyeds, or any breed in fact"

Is it the number of champions

or may be the number of champions compared to the amount of puppies knocked out?

or exports

or imports

or other titles like obedience or hearding?

the manerisism and professionalism?

etc etc etc

Which was exactly my point.

I don't think these facts were considered in Toughgirls claim to the 'best' Samoyed breeder, it was stated because she's buying a puppy from them so to her, of course they're number one! (they're going to be providing her with a bundle of fluff!)

Don't get me wrong, I am good friends with Denise and spend most of my weekends under, or near, the Kalaska gazebo and I think they have a beautiful lot of Samoyeds to their name in the past, present, and coming up in the future. I just think it needs to be understood that there are many good, ethical Samoyed breeders and wouldn't want someone reading this to think that there is only one option for their family pet ;) Samoyeds aren't a breed that is over bred by poor breeders - like 'popular' breeds such a Staffords etc. We're quite lucky in that way.

Edited March 10, 2010 by Bindii

[Icemist]

I've seen Kalaska's Samoyeds and they are all stunning!!!!

Hi All,

I think Kalaska are the best Sammie breeder's in Victoria.

XXToughgirlXX

I agree, Kalaska have bred some beautiful dogs... Aussie is absoloutely stunning!

What makes you say they are the best?

I can see why toughgirl27 is coming from.

Kalaska are currently on a roll with their dogs and have won a lot in the last couple of years, and if anyone has the claim to be the top of the pops it is them.

They currently have a couple of very nice dogs out at them moment, and are doing well. But a little question I do ask anyone before making judgements, is how many puppies has any breeder knocked out to get those couple of nice dogs!

So heres a question for all, including the new sammy people, an outside observation would be great.

here it is:

"What makes a top breeder of Samoyeds, or any breed in fact"

Is it the number of champions

or may be the number of champions compared to the amount of puppies knocked out?

or exports

or imports

or other titles like obedience or hearding?

the manerisism and professionalism?

etc etc etc

Which was exactly my point.

I don't think these facts were considered in Toughgirls claim to the 'best' Samoyed breeder, it was stated because she's buying a puppy from them so to her, of course they're number one! (they're going to be providing her with a bundle of fluff!)

Don't get me wrong, I am good friends with Denise and spend most of my weekends under, or near, the Kalaska gazebo and I think they have a beautiful lot of Samoyeds to their name in the past, present, and coming up in the future. I just think it needs to be understood that there are many good, ethical Samoyed breeders and wouldn't want someone reading this to think that there is only one option for their family pet :D Samoyeds aren't a breed that is over bred by poor breeders - like 'popular' breeds such a Staffords etc. We're quite lucky in that way.

I don't think that toughgirls comments are meant to undermine any other Samoyed breeders, she is new to the breed and is excited about a new ball of fluff, and anyone that buys a Sammy for the first time loves that breeder and that breeder are the greatest people on earth, but I do understand where you are coming from.

I bet you when you bought Fletcher, and probably still do, that Snerzok was the greatest kennel of all time, because you were able to obtain a little white ball of fluff from them.

As you have pointed out and are correct, most Samoyed breeders in this country are ethical, and try to do the best for the dogs they breed, their owners and the breed in general.

[Bindii]

I don't think that toughgirls comments are meant to undermine any other Samoyed breeders, she is new to the breed and is excited about a new ball of fluff, and anyone that buys a Sammy for the first time loves that breeder and that breeder are the greatest people on earth, but I do understand where you are coming from.

I bet you when you bought Fletcher, and probably still do, that Snerzok was the greatest kennel of all time, because you were able to obtain a little white ball of fluff from them.

As you have pointed out and are correct, most Samoyed breeders in this country are ethical, and try to do the best for the dogs they breed, their owners and the breed in general.

I agree, and i wasn't being sarcastic or anything. I literally meant it exactly that way, that it is because they're providing her with a ball of white fluff so of course they're the best! I just wanted to point out that that was the reason - not due to opinions of breeding practices/champion dogs/exports/imports. I sounded rude but it wasn't meant that way!! You put it better

[Icemist]

I don't think that toughgirls comments are meant to undermine any other Samoyed breeders, she is new to the breed and is excited about a new ball of fluff, and anyone that buys a Sammy for the first time loves that breeder and that breeder are the greatest people on earth, but I do understand where you are coming from.

I bet you when you bought Fletcher, and probably still do, that Snerzok was the greatest kennel of all time, because you were able to obtain a little white ball of fluff from them.

As you have pointed out and are correct, most Samoyed breeders in this country are ethical, and try to do the best for the dogs they breed, their owners and the breed in general.

I agree, and i wasn't being sarcastic or anything. I literally meant it exactly that way, that it is because they're providing her with a ball of white fluff so of course they're the best! I just wanted to point out that that was the reason - not due to opinions of breeding practices/champion dogs/exports/imports. I sounded rude but it wasn't meant that way!! You put it better

thats alright, don't worry about me, I'm just having one of those days.

Its about time you got another fluff ball. Anything in the pipe line?

[Bindii]

thats alright, don't worry about me, I'm just having one of those days.

Its about time you got another fluff ball. Anything in the pipe line?

Definitely planning on looking for a little lady fluff ball to join the family in the second half of this year