MonElite Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 And that is why I won't sell a Cavalier pup to someone who is away from home that long unless the pup has company. So no person that works full time will get one of your dogs? Wow. Are Cavs so different to other breeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 And that is why I won't sell a Cavalier pup to someone who is away from home that long unless the pup has company. So no person that works full time will get one of your dogs? Wow. Are Cavs so different to other breeds? Cavaliers were bred to be companion dogs and do best with company. I have sold puppies to people who have another dog so the Cav is not home alone for hours. I have also sold two siblings to families on two ocassions and that has worked out very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Cavaliers were bred to be companion dogs and do best with company. Evening all Don't get me wrong, my CKC isn't going to be alone forever. I didn't want to put her with her brother straight away and force him into a situation he was not use to or didn't like. God knows what can go wrong leaving them both alone together. This is the first time I've had two puppies at the same time, so I am (well I think I am) being a responsible Owner and supervising them before I make the big jump and put them in a play pen for 8 hour straight. So far I have re-enforce her play pen and she hasn't jumped out yet, until I order/find a pen with a lid. Maybe I should have taken some pictures of her area to give you all an idea of her current setup and why it's harder to get a straight square pen with a lid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebbles Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Perhaps something like this would work? Don't know how secure the top covers are though. Available from 'Deals Direct'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 so, you don't have a secure yard? Where is your other dog during the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Perhaps something like this would work? Don't know how secure the top covers are though. Available from 'Deals Direct'. Hi Pebble's, thanks for that, that looks perfect as it seems as I can remove the top with ease. Persephone - We do have a secure yard that is also sectioned off for both dogs. We split the play pen inside and outside in half, so during the day they cannot play with each other unsupervised. Both dogs have access to inside and out throughout the day when I am not home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Ah- ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodle proud Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I totally feel for you. Is she climbing out or jumping out? My girl, a toy poodle is part mountain goat and from day one she climbed out no matter how we tried to reinforce it. We used a bunnings compost crate as has been suggested on here which she climbed but wouldnt be able to jump out of. I agree with all who suggest something with a lid. No guarantees otherwise I suppose. We tried using a table cloth pegged down over the top but she just yanked it off. I understand your reasons for wanting to keep them separated as this was our reasoning also. We figured out after coming home several times to both of them roaming free that they obviously had been fine together. Perhaps it won't be too long before they can spend longer periods together? I have included pics of our escapee. I Wish I could reccomend something more but we gave up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Awww she looks adorable At first when we only had the pen up, she was climbing them - one foot on the bar then the other. Since reinforcing that with weed mat and big boxes on the other side, she just jumps up to see whatever she can get hold off to allow her to climb over. I got to applaud her for her determination I know where she can jump out from, it is where the two corners meet that makes a 90 degree angle. For the time being, I have also place large cardboard boxes and taped it down so that there is nothing helping her jump over the pen. I plan to put them two dogs together after she has been desexed. My only fear is that once the two dogs are together, she will still jump her pen if there are no cardboard boxes or lids are in place. , but time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 ...and I will say again...the more she learns NOW how to jump/climb, and solve the problems you give her by the use of boxes, etc... the more trouble you will have with her later, with any fence ..as she is learning that perseverance pays off What is the size difference in your two dogs?will she be larger than him in a few months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted June 30, 2009 Author Share Posted June 30, 2009 Yes I know, I'm not ignoring what you are all saying.. it's finding the suitable solution, whether that is online or at the stores. I plan to go to Bunnings after work to see what secure mesh they have so I can use as a lid for the time being. He is a Maltese X so he is not a big size dog. I think in a few months she will roughly be the same size as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 when do these dogs see sunlight during the week ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodle proud Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Yes I know, I'm not ignoring what you are all saying.. it's finding the suitable solution, whether that is online or at the stores. I plan to go to Bunnings after work to see what secure mesh they have so I can use as a lid for the time being. He is a Maltese X so he is not a big size dog. I think in a few months she will roughly be the same size as him. It's probably good if you can hinge it so you can get your pup out easily. You probably couldnt do that with a plastic mesh (like what is on the fence in the background of my signature pic. which comes in rolls at bunnings) Could you use the bunnings compost cage panels as a lid? You could attach it using cable ties on one side and it 'should' be strong enough to keep your pup in. I'd reccomend avoiding anything your pup could eat through. Metal was the only thing our pup couldnt eat through. Where there is a will they find a way. But as you said their determination is commendable We would put our pup in her pen for the night and then at around 5 30 we would hear a 'thud' and then little paws on the floorboards I hope you find a solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 when do these dogs see sunlight during the week ? Hi PPS- if you read all my other replies, both dogs have access to inside and outside, so they are free to absorb the sunlight whenever they like during the times I am not home. I would never dream of keeping both dogs inside for a long period of time. And when I come home from work and on weekends, they are both inside the house with me While I am asleep they are both crated. Poodle Proud - I've read about the compost cages from bunnings, which is why I will go and have a look. Hopefully that will work and I can always buy those metal hinges to secure it down. I think cable ties, she will try and chew through. If the compost cage isn't suitable, then I will find some sort of mesh that Pebbles posted above from deals direct and secure it like that. The only reason why I can not purchase a whole new cage with the secure lid is that where both dogs are living, it is the only access we have to our backyard and their area, therefore the lid needs to be removable with ease so we can go in and out as we please. I'll post some pics once I have found the right solution and it is working Once again thanks for everyone's advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) The only reason why I can not purchase a whole new cage with the secure lid is that where both dogs are living, it is the only access we have to our backyard and their area, therefore the lid needs to be removable with ease so we can go in and out as we please. It takes less than 10 seconds to assemble or disassemble a Ccrate Securapen. I'll confess to being a tad confused as to how the other dog gets in and out if the pen blocks your access. Long term, I suggest you install a dog door. Edited July 1, 2009 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 The only reason why I can not purchase a whole new cage with the secure lid is that where both dogs are living, it is the only access we have to our backyard and their area, therefore the lid needs to be removable with ease so we can go in and out as we please. It takes less than 10 seconds to assemble or disassemble a Ccrate Securapen. I'll confess to being a tad confused as to how the other dog gets in and out if the pen blocks your access. Long term, I suggest you install a dog door. LOL - I think everyone who is reading this post is thinking what type of setup I have for these dogs and I must be some weirdo Owner (which i don't blame). I think I will post some pic tonight to show everyone their current setup (if i can figure how to upload more than one photo). We do have dog door installed, the reason why she isn't using it yet, is that it was too high for her when we first got her. But being that there is two dogs (one on each side) I can't split that dog door in half either. Stay tune for the photo's to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Di* Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The only reason why I can not purchase a whole new cage with the secure lid is that where both dogs are living, it is the only access we have to our backyard and their area, therefore the lid needs to be removable with ease so we can go in and out as we please. It takes less than 10 seconds to assemble or disassemble a Ccrate Securapen. I'll confess to being a tad confused as to how the other dog gets in and out if the pen blocks your access. Long term, I suggest you install a dog door. LOL - I think everyone who is reading this post is thinking what type of setup I have for these dogs and I must be some weirdo Owner (which i don't blame). I think I will post some pic tonight to show everyone their current setup (if i can figure how to upload more than one photo). We do have dog door installed, the reason why she isn't using it yet, is that it was too high for her when we first got her. But being that there is two dogs (one on each side) I can't split that dog door in half either. Stay tune for the photo's to come A couple of questions: 1. There is not a huge age difference between your dogs are you sure they need to separated during the day? How do they interact during the weekend/evenings when you are home? If they were allowed to interact more, then the pup might be too tired out to annoy the older dog. Training and play before you leave for work would also tire out the pup. If the dogs were together, the pup may not feel the need to jump. 2. Is there a need for the pen? Could you block off access to parts of the house by shutting doors, installing pet/child safety doors etc. ? If they had more space, you could make sure there were sufficient hidey holes to allow your slightly older dog to have his space. Plus, I'd find having a pen blocking access to the backyard a real nuisance. Di Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Seems simple to me.... 1) Put a mesh cover over the play pen. 2) Get a dog run and put the dogs outside in it Can't be good for a small breed puppy with growing bones to be leaping from 70cm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Me again Hi Di - they are about 1 year difference. The reason why I have kept them separated is that Mumble (the brother) tends to have an aggression problem with high value food. At first when we brought Annie home, all he did was growl and snap at her when she got close or wanted a snuggle from him. That is why I didn't want to force him into an environment that he wasn't familiar with. Over the months, he is much better with her. They have their lil play times and time apart. What I am starting to do is leave them together in her play pen for an hour or two to see how they go and so they get use to each other. There are still a few growls here and there when she doesn't know when to back off, but it's getting better Sas - don't worry, i've spied on her and when she tries to jump 70 cm, it's not a straight jump down. There are boxes on the other side to help her get down. If she jumps i rather her jump down safely. Will be posting the photos of her current play pen area for those who are confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLotus Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Her play area is in an awkward shape, more of a triangle shape. Don't worry guys, those cardboard boxes will be gone as I am getting mesh and hanging them from the ceiling down. Just got to find the right clips to secure them on the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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