Pete.the.dog Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Hi all, I just bought a kilo of 'dog mince' from my butcher as I want to start feeding my 11 month old that mixed with dry dog food, as I feel this would be better for him, I've tried finding info but have been unsuccessful - on how much I should feed him? He's 21kilos Any advice or pointing me to right direction would be greatly appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Do you know what is in the dog mince? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete.the.dog Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Do you know what is in the dog mince? No not sure I just asked if they had it and they said they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) If i were you, I'd ring and ask what is in it. If it's whole ground carcasses then you can probably replace a reasonable proportion of his diet with it. If it's just meat alone, you probably don't want to replace too much of the diet with it (unless you're going to feed bone as well), or there possibly won't be enough calcium or phosphorus in the diet for him. If it was me, I'd also want to know what sort of meat went into it - some meat is fattier than others, etc. Edited to add: Actually, I'm not sure I'd feed pet mince at all unless I knew for sure what was in it, and trusted the butcher. One of the benefits of making your own diet, IMO, is that you know exactly what goes into your pet's food. That's not the case with pet mince - could be anything ground up in there. Perhaps that's just me being paranoid, but hunks of meat and bone are also better for teeth, too. Edited June 16, 2009 by Staranais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete.the.dog Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 If i were you, I'd ring and ask what is in it. If it's whole ground carcasses then you can probably replace a reasonable proportion of his diet with it. If it's just meat alone, you probably don't want to replace too much of the diet with it (unless you're going to feed bone as well), or there possibly won't be enough calcium or phosphorus in the diet for him.If it was me, I'd also want to know what sort of meat went into it - some meat is fattier than others, etc. Edited to add: Actually, I'm not sure I'd feed pet mince at all unless I knew for sure what was in it, and trusted the butcher. One of the benefits of making your own diet, IMO, is that you know exactly what goes into your pet's food. That's not the case with pet mince - could be anything ground up in there. Perhaps that's just me being paranoid, but hunks of meat and bone are also better for teeth, too. I know it was carcasses as they were mincing while I was there, I just didn't think to ask what they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 If i were you, I'd ring and ask what is in it. If it's whole ground carcasses then you can probably replace a reasonable proportion of his diet with it. If it's just meat alone, you probably don't want to replace too much of the diet with it (unless you're going to feed bone as well), or there possibly won't be enough calcium or phosphorus in the diet for him.If it was me, I'd also want to know what sort of meat went into it - some meat is fattier than others, etc. Edited to add: Actually, I'm not sure I'd feed pet mince at all unless I knew for sure what was in it, and trusted the butcher. One of the benefits of making your own diet, IMO, is that you know exactly what goes into your pet's food. That's not the case with pet mince - could be anything ground up in there. Perhaps that's just me being paranoid, but hunks of meat and bone are also better for teeth, too. I know it was carcasses as they were mincing while I was there, I just didn't think to ask what they were Just chicken carcasses minced up? That sounds OK then. Perhaps I am just paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 If it is minced chicken carcusses then the mince is perfect. If you were feeding a purely raw diet you would feed approx 2% of your dogs weight daily. Seeing your dog is young and probably very active it might be a little more daily. As raw food and dry food are very different it's hard to say how much you should feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete.the.dog Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 If it is minced chicken carcusses then the mince is perfect.If you were feeding a purely raw diet you would feed approx 2% of your dogs weight daily. Seeing your dog is young and probably very active it might be a little more daily. As raw food and dry food are very different it's hard to say how much you should feed. Thanks, well going on that I guess if I gave him half of what I normally feed in dry food, then 1% of his weight in mince plus a couple of bones every now and again that should probably work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Perhaps if you do half and half and see how it goes. So half the amount of dry food you give a day and then 220grams of the minced chicken carcuses (2% of 21kg is 420grams and half of that is 220grams) If you are going to feed bones as well every now and again (make sure you dog can totally consume the whole bone so choose none weight bearing softer bones like lamb) either don't feed any other food that day or only half or less thne half of the mince & dry combination. If your dog is getting fat then cut down the food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete.the.dog Posted June 16, 2009 Author Share Posted June 16, 2009 Perhaps if you do half and half and see how it goes. So half the amount of dry food you give a day and then 220grams of the minced chicken carcuses (2% of 21kg is 420grams and half of that is 220grams) If you are going to feed bones as well every now and again (make sure you dog can totally consume the whole bone so choose none weight bearing softer bones like lamb) either don't feed any other food that day or only half or less thne half of the mince & dry combination. If your dog is getting fat then cut down the food. Thank you. On that bone issue, are chicken necks good? If I gave him one a day it probably wouldn't make a lot of difference in the diet would it because they are so small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 If it is chicken frames the mince is made out of, rather than whole raw chickens, then I would personally probably also chuck in some organ (primarily liver) once a week or so. Maybe some red meat or heart as well. Liver is supposed to be about 5% of a raw diet I believe. It has lots of good vitamins and minerals that aren't present in chicken frames, and which may not be sufficient in a half serve of kibble. Don't forget you can also chuck in eggs (raw or cooked), canned or fresh fish, unsweetened yoghurt, cooked or minced veges etc occasionally. Variety is good, and those things are all good additions to dog tucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 On that bone issue, are chicken necks good? If I gave him one a day it probably wouldn't make a lot of difference in the diet would it because they are so small? I would either feed the necks of the minced chicken carcuss as basically they are the same. The chicken necks are better for teeth though as it gives them something to chrunch on. So either feed the mince of the chicken necks. Here I have only really fed the mince to puppies as it was easier to eat. For my adults I feed the necks (chopped up but you wouldn't have to do this with a larger dog that can chew them properly) I know the minced chicken carcuss is cheaper then chicken necks so that could be a small factor in your thinking. Perhaps you could feed the mince and the chicken necks on alternation days. The same 2% rule would apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Hi, I'm going to go against the grain here... Personally, I would either feed: i) A good quality kibble, one that your dog does well on (ie doesn't have to be the most expensive). That way, you are guaranteed to get a balanced diet. The occasional chewing (ie not eating) bone thrown in for teeth cleaning OR ii) I would research raw diets (BARF, prey etc) , introduce it to the dog slowly and see if it thrives in this diet. I think that mixing dry and bits-and-bobs of raw can cause trouble because it is very easy to get the balance wrong. That said, mine get kibble in the morning, raw (mainly chicken wings, yoghurt, sardines, flaxseed oil, vege mush etc) in the evening. However, I know that both meals on their own (added up through the week) are balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Do butchers mince chicken frames? I would have thought the mince would be 'meat' rather than chicken coming from a butcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Do butchers mince chicken frames? I would have thought the mince would be 'meat' rather than chicken coming from a butcher? Yes I have a butcher that sells dog mince (minced chicken frames/carcusses). They also sell a big variety of bones and offal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 A word of warning when purchasing from a butcher. They tend to throw in a lot of fat from the meat they trim. It's usually more fat than chicken frames. I only buy chicken pet mince from chicken shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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