Rappie Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I think as the vet is shoving things in the front and back of the dog, the person should be told of the options first, they may not be able to afford the drugs. A 'normal' consultation consists of obtaining a history, doing a physical examination of the pet, relaying findings of that examination to the owner then developing a plan. Mostly the plan consists of options A, B or C which are discussed with owner and then they make a decision about how they wish to proceed. Then there is a time where most people ask questions to clarify anything they are not sure about, including cost. Any treatments that require the dog so stay in hospital should also require the owner to sign a consent form - which bears a written estimate of the expected cost. There are sometimes additional unexpected costs - if you're not willing for these to be incurred then you need to make your finite $$ limit known before hand. This is all information that is frequently relayed to vets through their relevant states registration board. If your vets don't do this, then don't complain about the entire profession - find someone who offers services in a way you are happy with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I gather from reading this forum that most good vets are equipped with crystal balls and x-ray fingers. You didn't know?? Not to mention being able to poo money so you can shout all your clients their treatments!! For all those complaining - when you buy a pair of jeans, do you ask how much they cost the store to buy them? Or for them to be made in a sweat shop overseas somewhere? Coles and Woolies don't tell you how much they paid the farmer for their little lambies. They just charge you what they like. In fact, I don't know of any profession, service, etc, where they willingly disclose what they bought the item for before selling it onto you. And just because your mechanic mate buys parts for $x.xx, doesn't mean thats what the mechanic you used paid for them. And yes, there is a RRP for vet drugs and most vets would stick pretty close to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss B Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 If you don't like the way a particular vet clinic operates, take your business elsewhere. If you don't like the way any vet clinic operates, don't own a pet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) Now raz, I have baked bread, and it costs more than $0.20 for ingredience, there is gas/oil equipment/a girl to sell it, rent, and so on. I said ingredients, not ingredients, gas/oil, equipment, a girl to sell it, rent, etc. Still I say too bad about the markup. Dont like it and want to whinge about it, dont own a pet. Pet ownership is a privilege, not a right, and with that privilege comes the responsibility of adequate health care for your pet. Edited June 8, 2009 by raz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I think as the vet is shoving things in the front and back of the dog, the person should be told of the options first, they may not be able to afford the drugs. I dont know what sort of vets you go to but mine do. I'm also given a worst case scenario re costs, but that wasnt the OP's concern. She simply resents the fact that vets markup pharmaceuticals. Big deal. My baker charges $2.50 for a loaf of bread that costs him 20 cents in ingredients to make. So what - he's running a business not a charity. Now raz, I have baked bread, and it costs more than $0.20 for ingredience, there is gas/oil equipment/a girl to sell it, rent, and so on. If the baker was a vet you would be paying about $10 for that loaf. Did you go to uni for 5+ years to learn how to bake that loaf? Why not have a think about all the things vets need to be able to do, all the difference species they need to be able to treat. Would your GP know how to operate and pin your broken leg? What about dental procedures? Or eye procedures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Helena Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I feel that vets have a sometimes difficult profession - dealing with patients of different species, who can't articulate what's wrong with them and who may be distressed and "bitey" . I'm sure too that dealing with the minority of owners who are "demanding" would be difficult too. They earn their money fair and square I reckon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rappie Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I feel that vets have a sometimes difficult profession - dealing with patients of different species, who can't articulate what's wrong with them and who may be distressed and "bitey" . I'm sure too that dealing with the minority of owners who are "demanding" would be difficult too. They earn their money fair and square I reckon! Dealing with the animals is the easy bit, as long as you get someone else to hold the bitey end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dealing with the animals is the easy bit, as long as you get someone else to hold the bitey end. A gimp mask would be the way to go - that way the vets dont have to listen to the whingers complaining about markups while they do their job and treat the animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I feel for you Rappie, and the other vets and specialists who frequent dol to hand out FREE advice to those in need. Having people criticize your profession, knowing how hard you have worked to get where you are, knowing that only a small percentage of the population are even intelligent enough to get there, is really low. I'd love for some of these people having a bash to be thrown in the deep and be a vet for a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Nicestman, Poodle and Emma's Mum - can I ask what you all do for work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicestman77 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I feel for you Rappie, and the other vets and specialists who frequent dol to hand out FREE advice to those in need. Having people criticize your profession, knowing how hard you have worked to get where you are, knowing that only a small percentage of the population are even intelligent enough to get there, is really low. I'd love for some of these people having a bash to be thrown in the deep and be a vet for a week. Boy stormie, what a crawler, I bet you get good drug prices for your animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicestman77 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Nicestman, Poodle and Emma's Mum - can I ask what you all do for work? If you don't know by now what I do I recon you will never work it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicestman77 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Nicestman, Poodle and Emma's Mum - can I ask what you all do for work? I think Poodle bakes bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodle3081 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 I think as the vet is shoving things in the front and back of the dog, the person should be told of the options first, they may not be able to afford the drugs. A 'normal' consultation consists of obtaining a history, doing a physical examination of the pet, relaying findings of that examination to the owner then developing a plan. Mostly the plan consists of options A, B or C which are discussed with owner and then they make a decision about how they wish to proceed. Then there is a time where most people ask questions to clarify anything they are not sure about, including cost. Any treatments that require the dog so stay in hospital should also require the owner to sign a consent form - which bears a written estimate of the expected cost. There are sometimes additional unexpected costs - if you're not willing for these to be incurred then you need to make your finite $$ limit known before hand. This is all information that is frequently relayed to vets through their relevant states registration board. If your vets don't do this, then don't complain about the entire profession - find someone who offers services in a way you are happy with. I appreciate the constructive replies and I do agree that all Vets are not the same. Discussion about these issues should be discussed and if there are genuine cost implications these should be articulated to the general public. As NM put it owning a pet by certain people in our society such as pensioners and the disabled is important to the quality of their life, and there are vet procedures that will be out of their price range. I have read in earlier posts the cost of snake bite treatment. Many of these disadvantaged groups are unaware of the upper limit of vet treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Nicestman, Poodle and Emma's Mum - can I ask what you all do for work? If you don't know by now what I do I recon you will never work it out. Don't email vets advertising your services by any chance do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Nicest Your so lucky, we only have 1 vet in my town, they are having a field day, I just told the dog not to get sick or he is cactus. Take the drive to Caseys Beach, the vets are very good there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicestman77 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 NicestYour so lucky, we only have 1 vet in my town, they are having a field day, I just told the dog not to get sick or he is cactus. Take the drive to Caseys Beach, the vets are very good there. Well I could tell you a few things about Casey Beach vets, but I won't, somethings are best left not said. But I am not saying they are bad vets, they most likely are very good, and they don't have a surgery like RPA. So I would say their prices are transparent, which this forum is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Well I could tell you a few things about Casey Beach vets, but I won't, somethings are best left not said. That's a very obscure response. Should it have been said at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodle3081 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Dealing with the animals is the easy bit, as long as you get someone else to hold the bitey end. A gimp mask would be the way to go - that way the vets dont have to listen to the whingers complaining about markups while they do their job and treat the animals. If you have ever addressed a group of people polarised by a profession or a religion then you know how difficult it is to discuss an issue using logical argument. Replies about other businesses that derive there sole income from the sale of goods, not knowing what coles pay for lamb (you can get a ball park figure if you follow market pricing) the amount of schooling and it goes on. Many replies have made assumptions about me that have no basis of fact. I suggest you go and talk to the general public and break down a vet bill and discuss the mark up of medications. See what reaction you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicestman77 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 (edited) Well I could tell you a few things about Casey Beach vets, but I won't, somethings are best left not said. That's a very obscure response. Should it have been said at all? It should not of been advised. Edited June 8, 2009 by nicestman77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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