Daisy Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) I am looking for information as i am worried that my greyhound Clyde may have pannus I found a thread morgan posted quite a while ago but i couldn't reply in it as it was too old http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...1&hl=pannus Wondering how your girl is going morgan? Clyde had red and weepy eyes and I took him to the vet and was given Opticlox eye ointment. This improved his eyes but when the ointment was finished they became worse again. I dropped back into the vet and asked for another lot, and said if it didn't clear up completely I would take him back to see them. His eyes are less red and weepy but I have noticed cloudy patches on both eyes, one worse than the other, it looks very much like the photo anniek posted in morgan's thread. I will take Clyde back to the vets this week, I was just looking for some more information. Edited May 21, 2009 by Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 How old is Clyde Daisy and what sort of condition are his teeth in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 Clyde is 7 and his teeth are all there but are quite brown. I talked to the vet about his teeth too when I was there as he does have bad breath. She recommended using a little salt and rubbing it on his teeth while wearing rubber gloves as a way of cleaning them, and to do that every day or so. She also showed me this little nubby rubber thing that you put on your finger to clean their teeth. Must admit I have been more worried about his eyes than his teeth and haven't started the teeth cleaning routine yet. I thought I would wait until his eyes were better and I was not having to put stuff in them every day before I started trying to clean his teeth each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiona mills Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Daisy if you google pannus there is some info about it in greys. sorry, no good at pasting links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Clyde is 7 and his teeth are all there but are quite brown. I talked to the vet about his teeth too when I was there as he does have bad breath. She recommended using a little salt and rubbing it on his teeth while wearing rubber gloves as a way of cleaning them, and to do that every day or so. She also showed me this little nubby rubber thing that you put on your finger to clean their teeth. Must admit I have been more worried about his eyes than his teeth and haven't started the teeth cleaning routine yet. I thought I would wait until his eyes were better and I was not having to put stuff in them every day before I started trying to clean his teeth each day. Have him put under and have them professionally cleaned Daisy.. there tends to be a link between eye issues and head/jaw issues. Tooth cleaning won't remove calculus that is already there but will help prevent it reforming. What does your vet say about his eyes. Cloudy lenses can be a sign of aging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greytdog Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Hey Daisy...you should post this in the Greyhound breed thread if you haven't done so already. Probably lots of info there. I haven't had a dog with it, but from what I've heard, treatment is usually an ongoing thing with drops. Frequency of using them declines as the condition improves, but doesn't stop as far as I know. It's a control rather than a cure. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longclaw Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Yep, I understand that pannus requires ongoing treatment. If Clyde's eyes are red and weepy (gunky weepy stuff?) I'd be more inclined to think it could be conjuntivitis, possibly from some kind of mild allergic reaction. Tommy had that same thing (red, very weepy eyes) which needed a relatively strong medication (it was a paste applied to the eyeball) for it to clear up. He's fine now - no ongoing issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) The vet did mention an allergic reaction and that is what we were treating it as. But I have only noticed the cloudy patches after the vet visit and subsequent treatment, they seem to have appeared quite suddenly Oh well I suppose all will be revealed when we go back to the vet on Wednesday. Edited May 18, 2009 by Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianed Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 The vet did mention an allergic reaction and that is what we were treating it as. But I have only noticed the cloudy patches after the vet visit and subsequent treatment, they seem to have appeared quite suddenly Oh well I suppose all will be revealed when we go back to the vet on Wednesday. Daisy, My 10 yo GSD that passed away last year had pannus. It started with patches of pinky film over the eye itself, I first noticed it on the outer edge of her eye. In time that turned to a greyish/black, left untreated it would have covered her whole eye. She had cortisone drops and an ointment which was very expensive ($30+ a tube) applied daily.I found the cortisone alone kept the disease at bay. In winter months I cut back on the drops as they can weaken the eye. I was able to delay the disease, but each year she lost more sight. At no time where her eyes red or weepy, so hopefully Clyde doesn't have pannus even though Greyhounds like GSD,s are predisposed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anniek Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Daisy - the early signs of pannus is often a small red blip on the edge of the eye, like a little blood vessel. If our greyhound vet is not sure, he will first give us non cortesone cream. If it clears up with that, then it is not pannus, more likely an infection. If it doesn't clear up, then we try the cortesone. If that clears it up then it is more than likely pannus. If the cortesone doesn't clear it up then it is something else - maybe just the way the eye is. Eyes looking slightly cloudy is normal ageing as far as I can gather. And I can't recall any "goop" with fosters that have had pannus. Usually they start on one drop two or thre times a day for about 10 days, then decrease and see what happens. If it is caught early, then one drop every couple of days should be fine. maybe only twice a week over winter. annieK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Back from the vet. Yes, Clyde has pannus. He also has dry eyes, and at the moment has an ulcer on one eye. So we need to clear up the ulcer and irritation before starting on cortisone drops. For now he has an antibiotic ointment (trying a different one) which needs to be applied twice a day for the ulcer, then in the middle of the day he has drops for the dryness, and cortisone tablets once a day to start treating the pannus. When the ulcer and irritation heals up he will be on cortisone drops. The vet has confirmed that there is no 'cure' for pannus, he will have to be on eye drops for the rest of his life, but it should be able to be kept under control. There is the possibility of some side effects from the cortisone, but if left untreated he will go blind. Edited May 21, 2009 by Daisy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula- Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Daisy, a friend's grey has this and he's on drops and a cream, and it's worked very well - to the point the stuff that grows on the eye has reduced. It was a few years ago now that he was staying with me, and back then the cream was still experimental - it may now be more readily available. I'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfin Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Sorry to hear of your dog's diagnosis, but pannus is usually quite easy to control once it is diagnosed. Pannus is worsened by sunlight, so try to avoid going outside in the middle of the day, especially in summer. Once the ulcer had healed, the best control for pannus a combination of Prednefrin Forte and cyclosporin (a 1% solution seems best, but Optimmune ointment also works well. The bonus is that cyclosporin is the best treatment for dry eye and has a direct anti-inflammatory effect. It also reduces corneal scarring and pigmentation). You will probably find that you will nead to treat Clyde less in winter than in summer. The oral cortisone is probably unneccessary at the moment. We normally treat ulcers with Vibravet (doxycycline, an antibiotic that is excreted in the tears), Tricin ointment (a broad spectrum antibiotic that also protects the cornea) and Prolet/Rimadyl(carprofen, an anti-inflammatory that has been found to very helpful in corneal problems). All the best, and I am sure Clyde will be much happier now! (edited cos I can't thpell) Edited May 21, 2009 by Elfin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 Thanks for that info Elfin. I am to take Clyde back to the vet early next week so will discuss further treatment then. The ointment they have given me is Tricin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianed Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) It was Optimmune drops I used. Like others have said you can do a maintenance dose of cortisone in winter. You will see a reduction in the cloudiness in the eye. Carla loved to sit in the sun so I got a market umbrella for her to sit under. I got her a pair of doogles but she didn't like wearing them. I see today the have special caps made for dogs, they look just the thing for outdoor wear. Edited May 22, 2009 by dianed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 How is Clyde doing Daisy? My dog Oscar has just been diagnosed with Pannus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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