RubyStar Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 my goodness...she went crazy out the back... poo'ed 4 times in our little spare room that she is inside, pee'ed in there and pee'ed in the house once last night as well... she's real young and i don't have the heart to use the crate method but really struggling with the naughtiness note - she does pee outside, then i give her a reward snack on command... the poo'ing and the holding in, i think i will have to wait to happen. only problem i have is, i don't trust leaving her inside the house without following her all throughout it If she's messing in the house that often, it's probably because you're not taking her outside enough. Make sure she goes out for a toilet stop after waking up, after playing, after eating, and generally every half hour while she's little and doesn't understand the concept fully yet. Can I ask why you say you "don't have the heart" to crate train her? Crates are not a cruel method of training. They have proven very successful with a lot of different areas of training, and the dog starts to see the crate as their own personal den to go and chill out in when they feel like it. If you feed your dog in there, she will think it's a GREAT place! (I personally haven't fed in crates but know it works for others!) If she is crated at night especially, with just enough room for her to lay down and turn around comfortably (but not roam to the other side), combine that with setting your alarm and taking her out once or twice throughout the middle of the night and toilet training in my opinion goes much faster! Dogs are clean animals and generally don't like to mess where they sleep. So they are more likely to hold it in (obviously not if they are busting! And that is where you would have left it too long) and when you take them outside, they are ready to wee/poo cause they haven't let themselves do it where they sleep so therefore are learning quicker the right place to go (outside!) Crates also come in handy for destructive puppies - when you can't keep an eye on them, crate them! But just make sure you don't abuse the crate option and chuck them in there for the day cos you can't be bothered watching them I'm not saying you personally, just in general, they can often be abused far too much! She is beautiful by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 thank you... i agree, and completely understand where you're coming from... but it would hurt me to see her in that 'cage'... but, if it comes to it, i will have to take the plunge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 thank you...i agree, and completely understand where you're coming from... but it would hurt me to see her in that 'cage'... but, if it comes to it, i will have to take the plunge I don't agree with crating a dog all day, as some people in the US and even the UK advocate - so ignore anything you read about crate training that tells you to crate the dog all day when you're not home (so 8 hours etc). However, a crate used properly is not different to a dog bed :cool: My beagle LOVES her crate and went in it the second I set it up, she likes having her own space and she doesn't think of it as a cage - it's like a den. Crate training is very useful at night time for toilet training, crate the pup at night and when it cries get up and take it out to go to the toilet so you avoid having the dog mess inside the house. Of course you don't have to crate train but it can be very useful and the dogs love them When it comes to toilet training, she's only young so hasn't got any real control over her bladder. During the day, take her outside on the hour every hour. Take her outside after she's woken up from a sleep, after she's played, after she's eaten or drunk water. Watch for her looking for somewhere to toilet or sniffing around for a spot and pick her up and take her outside. Give her lots of praise and a treat when she toilets outside. As she gets older her bladder control will improve and she'll be able to hold it for longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 well... 1) the dog is really chewing hard on the security fence [and tearing apart the flywirer] when it's excited and WANTS IN.... It does NOT obey any command, even with food presented. Any thoughts? 2) And after acting very naughtily, I sent her outside in her back area and she straight away left a nasty surprise for me.... Too many people have been saying rub her nose in it.. but i can't see the benefit???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Di* Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 well... 1) the dog is really chewing hard on the security fence [and tearing apart the flywirer] when it's excited and WANTS IN.... It does NOT obey any command, even with food presented. Any thoughts? 2) And after acting very naughtily, I sent her outside in her back area and she straight away left a nasty surprise for me.... Too many people have been saying rub her nose in it.. but i can't see the benefit???? Isn't she still only about 9 weeks? Very early days to expect her to "obey" very many commands. A great time to begin some teaching but too early to expect any great obedience skills. Could you get her a pet door so she can come and go through the door rather than scratch to be let in? Given that you seem to be anti crate training, could you consider a puppy pen so that you can watch her rather than put her out of sight in the "back area" where you can't see if she needs to go out to toilet? How can she let you know that she needs to go if you have her locked away from you? Toileting isn't something she should be punished for. You need to manage her toileting needs so that she goes where you want her to go. Good luck with it Di Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I agree Di, I wouldn't be expecting solid obedience from a nine week old pup either Never punish a pup for toileting in the wrong spot, at this age the error is yours not the puppy's - she doesn't have the bladder control to hold it and if she's toileting inside it's either because you weren't fast enough to take her out and/or she's confused about where to toilet. If I catch them 'in the act' I would pick them up silently and put them in the right spot and give lots of praise and I would *never* punish them for toileting after they've already done it. I would be ignoring her when she chews on the screen fence and I would only let her in when she's stopped - teach her that chewing gets her no attention whatsoever and waiting quietly means she can come inside. Remember at nine weeks she's only a baby so don't expect too much for her yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffiend42 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 G'day there, more beagle owners! Beagles, contrary to many opinions ARE indeed smart, but they can be a bit disobedient if they can't see the "what's in it for me". I personally think they're dead easy to live with, provided they're part of your "pack" as they LOVE to be with you. A beagle kept outside is a sad beagle. With regards to toilet training - these were our rules, and there were very few incidents inside: When pup wakes up - outside to toilet. When pup has had a drink - outside to toilet. When pup has eaten - outside to toilet. When pup has had a bit of a play - outside to toilet. When you think of it - outside to toilet. And PRAISE PRAISE PRAISE! They'll get the jist of it pretty quickly, and the older they get the longer they can hang on. No doubt you WILL get some "defiant wees" where they look at you and do it anyway - this is just to test you Under NO circumstances is rubbing their nose in it appropriate or acceptable. How are they to make the connection that it's bad? If anything, it could make them afraid to do so, and cause some health problems as a consequence, not least behavioural ones. They're actually pretty sensitive souls, they DO want to please you, and they do not have mean bones in them so they do take it seriously if you show them one. I think the key thing with beaglies is not to see their behaviour as "naughty". It's pretty easy to keep them happy - lots of time with you, mental stimulation, exercise. Remove things out of their reach if you don't want them touched. If they've already got to something, give a replacement that CAN be chewed ie a toy, and say "NO!" immediately when you catch them in the act. Punishing 5 minutes later is too late. If they do chew something you didn't want them to, get some newspaper, roll it up tightly, and hit the head. Yours :p YOU left it there, didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 You have a BABY puppy. She does NOT have full bladder and bowel control yet. She craves to be part of her 'pack' She will NOT be poo'ing to 'pay you back' or 'be naughty'. Puppies cannot rationalise ... Excess pooing may be due to a diet too rich in fibre/grain....or just too much food What do you fed her, and how often? When you say We try and exercise/entertain her for 4-6 hours This sounds a lot for you to do. Wghen does she have time outside to entertain herself? Give her a kong with dinner in it, or a large meaty bone.. and leave her be for a half hour or so.... Puppies need short bursts of play.........not too strenuous...and training sessions of just s couple of minutes, a few times a day. Their sleep is done is blocks.. and hour here, 4 hours there.... Remember- the more YOU provide her with entertainment, play buddies and excitement- the less she will be able to entertain herself. Make sure , when she goes outside, she has something new to catch her attention.. a fresh bone, a rolling/squeaking toy.... a few bikkies scattered around the yard for that nose to work at finding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all that glitters Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Puppies at that age have very short attention spans, so you can't expect too much! In regards to feeling like you cant leave her indoors without her going to the loo when you're not watching, I've found with my shepherd that if I have taken her out for wees/poos, she's 'safe' for at least 15/20minutes at a time. It may be different with other dogs though. And if she has to poo, she whines and runs to the door. But for wees/#1's... she doesn't tell us yet. I go by how long her last wee was, whether she has just woken up (TOTALLY has to pee then) and exercise/excitement.. the more they are running around and hyper, the more sooner they will do a wee. You will pick up on her signs and signals in no time! I crate my shepherd next to my bed at night, it is a BREEZE. She walks herself into there and snuggles up in her blanket and sleeps. I wake up halfway through the night (just a habit) and take her out if I hear her stirring, just so she empties and I don't run the risk of her busting to go later. She CAN hold on 7hrs straight at night, but if I wake up partway through anyway, I just take her, seeing as she's still 10 weeks old. The trick to the crate is that you make it a 'nice' place for them. That way it's not a crate to them, it's their 'den'. Feed them treats in there, praise them for going in there, and give them fun toys in there. I don't crate during the day, only at night... theres different degrees of how one chooses to crate. And no dog should be crated for extended periods of time if it's not night time/bed time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) thank you...i agree, and completely understand where you're coming from... but it would hurt me to see her in that 'cage'... but, if it comes to it, i will have to take the plunge I do understand your perception of it being a "cage" - I too once had that perception of a crate before I learnt what they were about and before I got my first Labrador. I read many good comments on them before I got my pup so set out to learn some more about them and soon realised they are not a cage at all, but as others have said, they view them as their own private den. During the day, I wouldn't crate for more than 4 hours at a time, much less if possible but that is the absolute max! But all night is ok. Edited May 16, 2009 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 ohhh wow, just finished reading all the replies. thank you very much, will take it onboard, especially the too much exercise comment and will observe her more closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 as always...back for more advice. Romy is eating and learning well.. even goes outside to do wee-wee's without any guidance now[lets hope this doesn't jinx it] 1. how do i get her to lay down? do i put her in the position i want her and then i offer her a treat? 2. water.... i've spoken to a few people who said limit and or take away the water after 6-7pm.. isn't that cruel??? just trying to stop her weeing constantly in the evening[not that it matters outside i guess, but just preventing mistakes inside] 3. warming up her blanket for the winter. the area i leave her in seems to get rather cold [as a human], so i heated up her blanket on top of her bed twice... bad move, good move? just want her to be warm... but unsure how to approach it. From what i've been told so far, dogs adapt and i shouldn't need to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 BIG PROBLEM.... if she's awoken by anything inside our house she GOES NUTZZ!! She bites the security door, barks, runs around like crazy... just goes non-stop till someone goes out there. She gets in such a state that she looks like she's going to hurt herself against the security door etc. Irony this happened 5 minutes after I said how good she was in the above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 as always...back for more advice. Romy is eating and learning well.. even goes outside to do wee-wee's without any guidance now[lets hope this doesn't jinx it]1. how do i get her to lay down? do i put her in the position i want her and then i offer her a treat? I put the puppy in a sit position and lure them into a down with a treat. This worked well for Daisy 2. water.... i've spoken to a few people who said limit and or take away the water after 6-7pm.. isn't that cruel??? just trying to stopher weeing constantly in the evening[not that it matters outside i guess, but just preventing mistakes inside I've always left them water out but my dogs never drink at night time anyway - I wouldn't take water away as early as 7pm (JMO) because when Daisy was a pup she wouldn't go to sleep until much later. I guess many people crate train their puppies (I didn't learn about crate training until Daisy was older) and once they are in the crate they wouldn't have access to water. 3. warming up her blanket for the winter. the area i leave her in seems to get rather cold [as a human], so i heated up her blanket on top of her bed twice... bad move, good move? just want her to be warm... but unsure how to approach it. From what i've been told so far, dogs adapt and i shouldn't need to do that? I've never needed to do this, but then again, if Daisy sleeps in her crate it's enclosed and probably a bit warmer. I wouldn't do it myself. BIG PROBLEM....if she's awoken by anything inside our house she GOES NUTZZ!! She bites the security door, barks, runs around like crazy... just goes non-stop till someone goes out there. She gets in such a state that she looks like she's going to hurt herself against the security door etc. Irony this happened 5 minutes after I said how good she was in the above... Do you mean if she is woken suddenly? She probably does it because she's had a fright. Although if you come to my house at "zoomie" time you probably think Daisy's gone crazy too! She runs around the house barking, jumping, running around with her toy in her mouth and generally being a real fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 i don't mind the fool bit it's just the whole non-stop barking, craziness, threat to personal safety thing i don't like pooing is still a problem... went through her 8mx10m area and cleaned it with citronella, but she continues to poo wherever she wants.... without regard for previous location etc.. . just want her to start doing it outside...but you can't force that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) i don't mind the fool bit it's just the whole non-stop barking, craziness, threat to personal safety thing i don't like I know what you mean - it's hard to say much without seeing the behaviour though, it does sound like she gets a fright if she's woken suddenly. pooing is still a problem... went through her 8mx10m area and cleaned it with citronella, but she continues to poo wherevershe wants.... without regard for previous location etc.. . just want her to start doing it outside...but you can't force that, right? Do you take her outside often enough i.e. after she's woken up, after she's eaten, after she's had a play etc? Edited May 21, 2009 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 yeh absolutely.... as often as i can thing is, now with getting her 'reward' she wee's on command, but doesn't do poo's at all... need that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 She'll get it with time, she's still only young so as long as you are consistent she will work it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) i don't mind the fool bit it's just the whole non-stop barking, craziness, threat to personal safety thing i don't likepooing is still a problem... went through her 8mx10m area and cleaned it with citronella, but she continues to poo wherever she wants.... without regard for previous location etc.. . just want her to start doing it outside...but you can't force that, right? Citronella is toxic and an unpleasant smell for dogs.. I'd not be usiing it. I think you need to stay outside with her after eating, waking and playing until she poos then reward her. Ignore any and all advice from a person who tells you to rub your pups nose in poo - they have absolutely no idea about dog training. I think you would really benefit from attending group some training classes at a dog club or with a good professional. If you tell us where you are, we can probably recommend somewhere. If you bought your pup from a responsible registered breeder, that person would also be a valuable source of advice on puppy raising. Edited May 21, 2009 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockt12 Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 yeh, looking forward to attending some lessons in a few weeks... and on the citronella, each place i've read says the same thing...it won't harm the dog, but it is SUPPOSE to stop her from pooing or weeing there... no true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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