Entropion & Pet Insurance - Sharpei

[Peibe_Baby]

It’s certainly not your place to judge my fiancé Pandii. He isn’t the one here seeking guidance – I am. We have gone off topic here anyway.

I am trying my damn best to do what’s right here, but feel like i’m getting kicked while i’m down.

I am considering joining another forum because I don’t feel I’m getting anything other than criticism here.

Thanks to those of you kind enough to offer me some guidance in relation to his Entropian.

To those of you more worried about my Pei re-producing, I won’t be using him for breeding for the millionth time...

[Gretel]

Peibe_Baby many people on here feel very passionate about things and sometimes we can come across a little judgemental but it really is cause we feel so strongly about issues.... For a start you bought from a backyard breeder. Lucky for you they have offered to help out financially but people who know nothing about a breed and their health issues can do a lot of harm if they go into breeding. As you have found out You love your pup and you are getting the right treatment for him which is wonderful. From what I gather Sharpeis can be a bit of a handful so the recommendation to desex your boy is probably an excellent one. An entire male of many breeds can be rather dominant and a desexed boy makes a nicer pet. Some men do have major issues with desexing as they seem to look at it differently to woman Your boy looks a cutie - I hope he brings you lots of joy.

[Peibe_Baby]

Peibe_Baby many people on here feel very passionate about things and sometimes we can come across a little judgemental but it really is cause we feel so strongly about issues.... For a start you bought from a backyard breeder. Lucky for you they have offered to help out financially but people who know nothing about a breed and their health issues can do a lot of harm if they go into breeding. As you have found out You love your pup and you are getting the right treatment for him which is wonderful. From what I gather Sharpeis can be a bit of a handful so the recommendation to desex your boy is probably an excellent one. An entire male of many breeds can be rather dominant and a desexed boy makes a nicer pet. Some men do have major issues with desexing as they seem to look at it differently to woman Your boy looks a cutie - I hope he brings you lots of joy.

Thanks Gretel

[Fyscha]

haha boys that wont get male dogs desexed really make me laugh. Not commenting on your man Peibe, my husband is the same. Which is why we got a female, as it was "OK" to desex her and I refused to have an undesexed animal in the house. I've seen it time and time again...

But really... for some men you would think t was them going under the knife, not the dog.

[Peibe_Baby]

haha boys that wont get male dogs desexed really make me laugh. Not commenting on your man Peibe, my husband is the same. Which is why we got a female, as it was "OK" to desex her and I refused to have an undesexed animal in the house. I've seen it time and time again...

But really... for some men you would think t was them going under the knife, not the dog.

Even still... it's so immature isn't it??

Typical macho behaviour...

[badboyz]

Peibe baby, don't leave the forum as it is one of the best dog forums around. If you seriously are interested in breeding in the future, then you have already learnt some very valuable lessons, about the wrong and right ways to go about it. I would suggest you get little Simba sorted out first. Train him and enjoy him on his own for the next 12mths. It is imperative that you socialize him while young to prevent dominant behaviours. Shar Pei can be great at obedience- my boys has just started agility and he is so quick to learn anything new, even at the 4 yrs old. Have him desexed when he has reached adulthood (from about 8mths - would be my suggestion), so that if you choose to go ahead and purchase another pup (male or female) you will not have to worry about Simba/hormones/accidents. Any dog not needed for breeding should be desexed - it makes for a much happier pet all around.

In the meantime, learn as much as you can about the breed. Join your states Canine Council and work towards attaining your breeder's prefix. Maybe go to some dog shows and meet some registered breeders. Hopefully you will find a breeder you can talk to and if you are happy with their dogs temperaments, style and general health then put your name down for a future female pup. A good pup is worth waiting for. Or, if after this time, you decide breeding is not for you, and as you have found with Simba, they are not in the least the easiest of breeds, then you may decide to choose a rescue pup/dog instead. If you click on my profile you will find my website details, where you will find many links that I have found very helpful over the years, including another very good shar pei forum and many informative breed specific websites.

[Peibe_Baby]

Peibe baby, don't leave the forum as it is one of the best dog forums around. If you seriously are interested in breeding in the future, then you have already learnt some very valuable lessons, about the wrong and right ways to go about it. I would suggest you get little Simba sorted out first. Train him and enjoy him on his own for the next 12mths. It is imperative that you socialize him while young to prevent dominant behaviours. Shar Pei can be great at obedience- my boys has just started agility and he is so quick to learn anything new, even at the 4 yrs old. Have him desexed when he has reached adulthood (from about 8mths - would be my suggestion), so that if you choose to go ahead and purchase another pup (male or female) you will not have to worry about Simba/hormones/accidents. Any dog not needed for breeding should be desexed - it makes for a much happier pet all around.

In the meantime, learn as much as you can about the breed. Join your states Canine Council and work towards attaining your breeder's prefix. Maybe go to some dog shows and meet some registered breeders. Hopefully you will find a breeder you can talk to and if you are happy with their dogs temperaments, style and general health then put your name down for a future female pup. A good pup is worth waiting for. Or, if after this time, you decide breeding is not for you, and as you have found with Simba, they are not in the least the easiest of breeds, then you may decide to choose a rescue pup/dog instead. If you click on my profile you will find my website details, where you will find many links that I have found very helpful over the years, including another very good shar pei forum and many informative breed specific websites.

Thanks so much for your concern and support BadBoyz – I have heard so many great things about you! May I ask, what is your real name? Just so I know who I’m talking to..

Ok so you’re saying it’s ok to get another male Pei after I’ve desexed Simba? Something on my consideration list (IF I choose to Breed one day)

And it’s 8 months I have to wait you say? My Vet told me from 6 Months, and Pandii in the forum told me 8 weeks!!!

Can I ask you, do ALL Pei’s carry the Entropian Gene?? For example, if I were to buy a good quality male and do things by the book, have him registered etc, am I guaranteed his litters won’t have the same eye condition provided ‘mum’ is of same quality??

Someone once told me that despite the parents been A1 quality, you always run the risk.. because this condition is something that’s hereditary within the breed itself – not sure as to how true this is.

Thank you so much for your time, you’re very inspiring and I look forward to chatting with you on a regular basis!

I am constantly in the ‘Shar Pei Thread’

[Peibe_Baby]

Peibe baby, don't leave the forum as it is one of the best dog forums around. If you seriously are interested in breeding in the future, then you have already learnt some very valuable lessons, about the wrong and right ways to go about it. I would suggest you get little Simba sorted out first. Train him and enjoy him on his own for the next 12mths. It is imperative that you socialize him while young to prevent dominant behaviours. Shar Pei can be great at obedience- my boys has just started agility and he is so quick to learn anything new, even at the 4 yrs old. Have him desexed when he has reached adulthood (from about 8mths - would be my suggestion), so that if you choose to go ahead and purchase another pup (male or female) you will not have to worry about Simba/hormones/accidents. Any dog not needed for breeding should be desexed - it makes for a much happier pet all around.

In the meantime, learn as much as you can about the breed. Join your states Canine Council and work towards attaining your breeder's prefix. Maybe go to some dog shows and meet some registered breeders. Hopefully you will find a breeder you can talk to and if you are happy with their dogs temperaments, style and general health then put your name down for a future female pup. A good pup is worth waiting for. Or, if after this time, you decide breeding is not for you, and as you have found with Simba, they are not in the least the easiest of breeds, then you may decide to choose a rescue pup/dog instead. If you click on my profile you will find my website details, where you will find many links that I have found very helpful over the years, including another very good shar pei forum and many informative breed specific websites.

Thanks so much for your concern and support BadBoyz – I have heard so many great things about you! May I ask, what is your real name? Just so I know who I’m talking to..

Ok so you’re saying it’s ok to get another male Pei after I’ve desexed Simba? Something on my consideration list (IF I choose to Breed one day)

And it’s 8 months I have to wait you say? My Vet told me from 6 Months, and Pandii in the forum told me 8 weeks!!!

Can I ask you, do ALL Pei’s carry the Entropian Gene?? For example, if I were to buy a good quality male and do things by the book, have him registered etc, am I guaranteed his litters won’t have the same eye condition provided ‘mum’ is of same quality??

Someone once told me that despite the parents been A1 quality, you always run the risk.. because this condition is something that’s hereditary within the breed itself – not sure as to how true this is.

Thank you so much for your time, you’re very inspiring and I look forward to chatting with you on a regular basis!

I am constantly in the ‘Shar Pei Thread’

Also, in relation to the passing of the eye condition - does it mean that if Simba re-produces he will be guranteed to have a litter with the same problem?

[Nekhbet]

Also, in relation to the passing of the eye condition - does it mean that if Simba re-produces he will be guranteed to have a litter with the same problem?

that though shouldnt even exist - a dog with such a considerable health problem should never be considered for breeding as the risk of passing on the condition is very high.

Desexing can happen any time from 8 weeks of age. As this is your first pei I would be doing it sooner rather then later especially if you want another male. I have 2 males in my household - one entire and one desexed - now they live separately as they just dont get along anymore personality wise. Dogs go through their 'teenage' periods about now, then at about 6-8 months, 12-14 months and for most breeds 18-21 months (giants then have another again)

Less hormones can mean less developmental (ie mating type behaviors, territoriality and male to male challenging) behaviors rearing their heads and make your introduction into the world of shar peis a little easier. Wont fix or remove the behaviors just not have them to the same level as an entire breeding male.

If you want to breed i would personally build runs for your dogs. Everyone has their own space and remember when the hormones fly it can be rather scary.

You have now learned what happens when you have little knowledge in a breed - remember the road to disaster is paved with good intentions. I would get under the wing of a couple of good registered breeders, learn pei genetics and prove with your boy that you can successfully socialise, manage and train an shar pei. Only then should you consider breeding - remember YOU will be responsible for the early and lifelong lessons your pei babies learn and I'm sure enough rescuers will tell you there are many ill tempered and aggressive shar peis out there from people who just dont know them well enough.

You should be aiming for puppies that dont have this problem - its costly to the owner and frankly as a breeder you should be working towards minimising the chance of your peis having to need surgery not 'oh well its your puppy now what happens is your tough luck'. Its about your work towards creating a healthy dog.

[Peibe_Baby]

Thanks for that...

I should have stated it was more of a hypathetical question. I know Simba won't be re-producing.

I asked the question in my bid to simply 'learn' about genetics.

[Nekhbet]

remember with adult peis you should have photos of them pre any tacking or surgical prcedures to get a more honest look at the dogs phenotype ('looks' that is)

a dog might look OK, but you dont notice the nip n tuck scars!

Frankly any dog that is over exaggerated is asking for trouble when it comes to breeding. There are some terribly over wrinkled peis that just suffer, and some neopolitan mastiffs too. Remember what your breed is about and what you want to do with them, also investigating different lines will help you a lot too

[Guest Pandii]

Many dogs are desexed at 8 weeks and are ok, peibe baby, dont act so shocked, do you think rescue groups hang on to dogs until they are 8 months old before rehoming, No offence BB, but 8 weeks is perfectly acceptable.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Pandii

[Nekhbet]

some vets find puppy and kitten desexes daunting - I know I've been a nurse to a couple of vets who needed me to hold their hand throughout. Hence the 'wait until its older' routine.

[puggy_puggy]

Shar Pei Club of NSW

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[charlieandoops]

Shar Pei Club of NSW

Dogs NSW

Becoming a resposible registered Breeder

LOL Pugs/Peis you are EVERYWHERE Puggy Puggy

FYI PB, Puggy_Puggy is entrenched in Pug Rescue. Pugs also have a lot of eye problems, Puggy_Puggy sees so many. In Vic Pug Rescue and Shar Pei Rescue (and Boxer Rescue) all share the same wonderful rescue vet.

[badboyz]

Yes Pandii, it is fine to desex at 8wks, but for me personally I would not do so. Being a show/breeding person, I prefer my dogs to reach maturity before desexing, as hormones to have a place in growth and development and I want my dogs to grow the best way than can. I am capable of keeping them safely, without accidents, so it is no issue for me. As you can see PB, everyone has different opinions on desexing, so you must take in all opinions, and your living situation and decide which is best.

As for 2 dogs getting on, it depends highly on idividuals, regardless of sex. I've had 2 males here without incident, one being my entire stud dog, the other desexed. I've had females that get on well and some that don't. One of each is usually the best combination, but not always. I think a reasonable gap in age is the best idea, as 2 dogs of similar age are more likely to see each other as rivals.

Re breed problems, I posted this earlier in the shar pei thread:

All modern shar pei can trace their history back to a couple of original dogs sent to America to re-establish the breed, less than 30yrs ago. And 30 years is quite short time in genetics. So I do not believe any shar pei lines can be considered free of any of the diseases/conditions that plague the breed. Breeders who are more committed to the breed and are choosy about breeding from only healthy dogs with known parentage are more likely to produce healthier pups, than back yard breeders or puppy farmers who are just trying to make a quick buck and have cute puppies!

These original dogs imported to America also carried the genes for both flowered and brushcoat pei, which is why they still pop up in litters today.

I think this is the same for any breed (or crossbreed) of dog and their breed problems, unless a genetic test is found that can isolate and eliminate the problem.

[peibe]

I would not leave a male Pei entire with a first time Shar Pei owner until 8 months

peibe baby no offence intended but you have already shown your inexperience with the breed and seeing as Simba is from BYB there is a higher probability that he will have problems with aggression predominately dog aggression

I have had over 30 Shar Pei pups desexed at 8 weeks old, none have any issues and the only thing it has done is make them alittle taller as the growth plates close up later

Seeing as you are 3 months pregnant with a skin child I would not be allowing a young male Pei to develop into a full blown hormonal teenager with a newborn

You are going to have your work cut out for you as it is and thinking of getting another dog in the next 2 years with a skin child and a young Pei boy with eye issues could be an expensive task that you do not need

I will not rehome a male Pei to a home with an existing Male Pei unless there is a 6 year gap between the ages and then it depends on the temperament of the dogs

Male and female mixes work better