peibe Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Glad you are getting his eye done and have found a good vet to do so The inner eye should go back up when his eyes are not being irritated The swelling etc will also go down Good to hear that the people who breed him are concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 I know that you're probably already attached to the dog and what I'm going to say sounds heartless, but really this puppy should be returned to the breeder and you should receive a full refund. Selling a puppy that's going to need ongoing expensive surgery to an unsuspecting member of the public isn't the right thing to do and that's putting it mildly. I cannot believe that a person who calls themselves a 'breeder' of shar pei can be so ignorant of the breed and the genetic conditions associated with it. Hi Miranda, They aren't a breeder, they have two shar pei's that had a litter and sold them. They are really genuine people, in fact, they emailed me offering to pay for all his costs (which i refused, we will go halves instead). What would one do with the pups otherwise?? Id like to breed them one day... so what would I do with them? Not sell them? I would understand they need tacking and do it prior to selling, but if they're going to need extra TLC later on that's the new owners' responsability, right? Passing him on to anyone else is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 Glad you are getting his eye done and have found a good vet to do soThe inner eye should go back up when his eyes are not being irritated The swelling etc will also go down Good to hear that the people who breed him are concerned Great news, thanks Rescue! They just emailed me and will be calling me tonight. They've offered to help pay for his costs which is much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) I know that you're probably already attached to the dog and what I'm going to say sounds heartless, but really this puppy should be returned to the breeder and you should receive a full refund. Selling a puppy that's going to need ongoing expensive surgery to an unsuspecting member of the public isn't the right thing to do and that's putting it mildly. I cannot believe that a person who calls themselves a 'breeder' of shar pei can be so ignorant of the breed and the genetic conditions associated with it. Hi Miranda, They aren't a breeder, they have two shar pei's that had a litter and sold them. They are really genuine people, in fact, they emailed me offering to pay for all his costs (which i refused, we will go halves instead). What would one do with the pups otherwise?? Id like to breed them one day... so what would I do with them? Not sell them? I would understand they need tacking and do it prior to selling, but if they're going to need extra TLC later on that's the new owners' responsability, right? Passing him on to anyone else is not an option. PB if you want to breed Sharpei as a longer term objective, I can't recommend more highly that you join your breed club, purchase registered dogs, exhibit them and learn as much as you can from an experienced mentor before you take that step. I'm sure there'd be folk here who'd help steer you in that direction. No doubt you've already learned that there's more to breeding healthy examples of a breed than owning a male and a female and mating them. Personally, I'd suggest breeding to decrease the likelihood of the issues your pup has experienced would be a worthy objective to consider. That would mean not breeding from your current pup. Edited May 1, 2009 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I know that you're probably already attached to the dog and what I'm going to say sounds heartless, but really this puppy should be returned to the breeder and you should receive a full refund. Selling a puppy that's going to need ongoing expensive surgery to an unsuspecting member of the public isn't the right thing to do and that's putting it mildly. I cannot believe that a person who calls themselves a 'breeder' of shar pei can be so ignorant of the breed and the genetic conditions associated with it. Agreed. This pup needs to go straight back for the "breeders" to manage, and you should be given a full refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 I know that you're probably already attached to the dog and what I'm going to say sounds heartless, but really this puppy should be returned to the breeder and you should receive a full refund. Selling a puppy that's going to need ongoing expensive surgery to an unsuspecting member of the public isn't the right thing to do and that's putting it mildly. I cannot believe that a person who calls themselves a 'breeder' of shar pei can be so ignorant of the breed and the genetic conditions associated with it. Hi Miranda, They aren't a breeder, they have two shar pei's that had a litter and sold them. They are really genuine people, in fact, they emailed me offering to pay for all his costs (which i refused, we will go halves instead). What would one do with the pups otherwise?? Id like to breed them one day... so what would I do with them? Not sell them? I would understand they need tacking and do it prior to selling, but if they're going to need extra TLC later on that's the new owners' responsability, right? Passing him on to anyone else is not an option. PB if you want to breed Sharpei as a longer term objective, I can't recommend more highly that you join your breed club, purchase registered dogs, exhibit them and learn as much as you can from an experienced mentor before you take that step. I'm sure there'd be folk here who'd help steer you in that direction. No doubt you've already learned that there's more to breeding healthy examples of a breed than owning a male and a female and mating them. Personally, I'd suggest breeding to decrease the likelihood of the issues your pup has experienced would be a worthy objective to consider. That would mean not breeding from your current pup. Absolutely, I definintely won't be jumping in to that anytime soon! I would like to commit myself to the Breed and learn as much as I can before I even think of buying. Thank you for your recommendation, much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 I know that you're probably already attached to the dog and what I'm going to say sounds heartless, but really this puppy should be returned to the breeder and you should receive a full refund. Selling a puppy that's going to need ongoing expensive surgery to an unsuspecting member of the public isn't the right thing to do and that's putting it mildly. I cannot believe that a person who calls themselves a 'breeder' of shar pei can be so ignorant of the breed and the genetic conditions associated with it. Agreed. This pup needs to go straight back for the "breeders" to manage, and you should be given a full refund. Perhaps, everyone has their own judgement I guess. I'm not willing to return Simba, it isn't an option for us. If we wanted to, we know we could, alternatively the young couple have offered to pay for his tacking and Entropion Surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peibe Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) All pups need homes regardless of how they came into the world We should not be lining people pockets though Seeing as the so called breeders have opted to pay for half it is more than alot of other breeder I know have done The right thing for them to do now is to desex the parents so they do not have any more accidental litters Simba has found a home and he is one of the lucky ones, he has an owner that is willing to get him the vet attention he needs not like the 2 litters through rescue in the last 8 months, all needed eye tacking, elongated soft palate operations and the last 4 all had pinched nares. Edited May 1, 2009 by SharPeiRescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 They aren't a breeder, they have two shar pei's that had a litter and sold them. They are really genuine people, in fact, they emailed me offering to pay for all his costs (which i refused, we will go halves instead).What would one do with the pups otherwise?? Id like to breed them one day... so what would I do with them? Not sell them? I would understand they need tacking and do it prior to selling, but if they're going to need extra TLC later on that's the new owners' responsability, right? Passing him on to anyone else is not an option. Sorry yes these people might be concerned by the damage they have already done. But if they were really good people they would have desexed their own two dogs and not BYB. I do hope thye are in the process of desexing their dogs right now so that they do not bring any more pups into this world with these genetic conditions. Peibe Baby I do hope that you desex your puppy when he is old enough and don't breed with him. If you do choose to breed in the future I hope you join your states Canine Council, become a registered breeder, purchase registered dogs that are fine examples of their breed, put the time and effort into showing them, research their genetic history and breed lines and thne only breed to better the Shar Pei breed. It's sad that you probably thought you were saving a few dollars by buying a pup from a BYB rather then a registered breeder and now in the long run it has cost you a whole lot more. I'm glad your pup is getting the medical attention he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 All pups need homes regardless of how they came into the worldWe should not be lining people pockets though Seeing as the so called breeders have opted to pay for half it is more than alot of other breeder I know have done The right thing for them to do now is to desex the parents so they do not have any more accidental litters Simba has found a home and he is one of the lucky ones, he has an owner that is willing to get him the vet attention he needs not like the 2 litters through rescue in the last 8 months, all needed eye tacking, elongated soft palate operations and the last 4 all had pinched nares. I agree, in fact i recommended they take all their sharpei (particularly their remaining pups) to my vet, which they informed me that they did today! And the other 2 pups are also booked in for eye tacking at the same time as my Simba which is great news. They will be paying for the three of them to get done. Oh that's sad.. I am more attached to animals, in particular dogs, than I am to children!! Some people think im strange.. I would have loved to have become a Vet or help in some way with animals.. Tell me more about what you do.. do people hand over their unwanted pets or do you find them on the streets..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 They aren't a breeder, they have two shar pei's that had a litter and sold them. They are really genuine people, in fact, they emailed me offering to pay for all his costs (which i refused, we will go halves instead).What would one do with the pups otherwise?? Id like to breed them one day... so what would I do with them? Not sell them? I would understand they need tacking and do it prior to selling, but if they're going to need extra TLC later on that's the new owners' responsability, right? Passing him on to anyone else is not an option. Sorry yes these people might be concerned by the damage they have already done. But if they were really good people they would have desexed their own two dogs and not BYB. I do hope thye are in the process of desexing their dogs right now so that they do not bring any more pups into this world with these genetic conditions. Peibe Baby I do hope that you desex your puppy when he is old enough and don't breed with him. If you do choose to breed in the future I hope you join your states Canine Council, become a registered breeder, purchase registered dogs that are fine examples of their breed, put the time and effort into showing them, research their genetic history and breed lines and thne only breed to better the Shar Pei breed. It's sad that you probably thought you were saving a few dollars by buying a pup from a BYB rather then a registered breeder and now in the long run it has cost you a whole lot more. I'm glad your pup is getting the medical attention he needs. Thanks Puggy, Reason we bought Simba was because after 2 months of trying to buy a chocolate male and there either being none available from reputable breeders or having been all sold we decided we'd settle for another colour, just happened to find Simba and we couldn't say no.. I wanted to be the one to help him with his 'condition'... Althought I would have loved to have bought a A1 pup for future breeding, it isn't an option with Simba due to his condition. This is a shame but one has to do what one has to do... I'll be posting pics up in a few minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 Here are some pics of Simba - all taken in the last couple of days!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Pandii Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 If you pup is 8 weeks he is right to desex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peibe Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 All pups need homes regardless of how they came into the worldWe should not be lining people pockets though Seeing as the so called breeders have opted to pay for half it is more than alot of other breeder I know have done The right thing for them to do now is to desex the parents so they do not have any more accidental litters Simba has found a home and he is one of the lucky ones, he has an owner that is willing to get him the vet attention he needs not like the 2 litters through rescue in the last 8 months, all needed eye tacking, elongated soft palate operations and the last 4 all had pinched nares. I agree, in fact i recommended they take all their sharpei (particularly their remaining pups) to my vet, which they informed me that they did today! And the other 2 pups are also booked in for eye tacking at the same time as my Simba which is great news. They will be paying for the three of them to get done. Oh that's sad.. I am more attached to animals, in particular dogs, than I am to children!! Some people think im strange.. I would have loved to have become a Vet or help in some way with animals.. Tell me more about what you do.. do people hand over their unwanted pets or do you find them on the streets..?? Pei come from everywhere They are given to me by people who do not want them anymore, but mainly they come from being left in pounds where their owners do not go to get them and they will be put to sleep I do not take all there are too many, just some I actually have a 1 year old Chocolate male at the moment in foster care, left in the pound to die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 If you pup is 8 weeks he is right to desex Yes but you see Pandii, it's not entirely my decision alone.. The dog also belongs to my fiance, more so to him in fact because I was planning on buying a girl. But now, I don't know what to do because I don't want to use him for breeding. Probably stick to just having Simba... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 All pups need homes regardless of how they came into the worldWe should not be lining people pockets though Seeing as the so called breeders have opted to pay for half it is more than alot of other breeder I know have done The right thing for them to do now is to desex the parents so they do not have any more accidental litters Simba has found a home and he is one of the lucky ones, he has an owner that is willing to get him the vet attention he needs not like the 2 litters through rescue in the last 8 months, all needed eye tacking, elongated soft palate operations and the last 4 all had pinched nares. I agree, in fact i recommended they take all their sharpei (particularly their remaining pups) to my vet, which they informed me that they did today! And the other 2 pups are also booked in for eye tacking at the same time as my Simba which is great news. They will be paying for the three of them to get done. Oh that's sad.. I am more attached to animals, in particular dogs, than I am to children!! Some people think im strange.. I would have loved to have become a Vet or help in some way with animals.. Tell me more about what you do.. do people hand over their unwanted pets or do you find them on the streets..?? Pei come from everywhere They are given to me by people who do not want them anymore, but mainly they come from being left in pounds where their owners do not go to get them and they will be put to sleep I do not take all there are too many, just some I actually have a 1 year old Chocolate male at the moment in foster care, left in the pound to die Oh how beautiful... haven't considered getting another boy Pei... really wanted a girl but like I said earlier I don't know that I can now since my fiance doesn't want him desexed.. And it would be such a shame if i desexed the girl if i bought her from a pedigree breeder.. your thoughts? How do boy Pei's get along? Do you have any pics of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I don't understand why you keep saying that it would be such a shame to desex a girl. Just because you buy from a registered breeder doesn't mean that you have to breed. Many people buy dogs from registered breeders and have them desexed. Why doesn't your fiance want to desex Simba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I would say Cat its because he is uneducated in the way of dogs. Its no a shame to desex a female, I have a papered female Rottweiler here desexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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