skwo2 Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Just called the vet. The ultrasound result has shown everything is ok apart from the texture of the liver being different from normal. The vet suggest it can be due to toxic, or bacteria from intestine travel to the liver, or the immune system is attacking itself (which is unlikely), since her liver enzyme is still at a very high level. No evidence of a liver shunt, and the vet said an ultrasound will not be the best way to prove a liver shunt unless it is very severe. Also, the vet doesn't think it is any severe kind of liver disease Chelsea will be on IV, probably until tomorrow afternoon or Saturday, antibiotics will also be given. The ultrasound also shows a knot on the adrenal gland (spelling), the vet says it is common and not too worry about it. Feeling better now..... Edited April 30, 2009 by skwo2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 That sounds promising, hopefully if it's an infection the antibiotics will knock it in the head soon enough. Usually the diagnosis for a liver shunt is made firstly with blood tests showing pre and post feeding levels of bile acids, and then with a specialised ultrasound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Feeling better now..... I'm glad things are looking better for Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puglvr Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 My pug girl Elyse had a bout of Hepatitis around 2-3months ago. very high fever and pain, her liver results were through the roof. She spent a couple of days in the vets on fluids antibiotics and metacam. She came home full of vigour and was on a special liver diet for about 3-4 weeks. she had blood tests every 2 weeks and her liver tests were back to normal. She is fine now. Her ultra sound showed up normal liver ect and only sludgy looking stuff in her gall bladder. Since then she has had 3 incidents (over 5 weeks) of high temp and pain and we have used metacam to bring the temp down and stop the pain. Her liver test results were better than her previous "good" results. We are looking at doing an x-ray and then possibly "spinal fluid" if it continues. I can only recommend that when you bring her home get the vet to send home her history with you including blood test results. that way you have accurate information that you can take with you to another vet in case you need to in an emergency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwo2 Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 I had a visit to see Chelsea and she is more lively now, but the vet said she needs to stay there until they can do another blood test on Sat. Puglvr - My vet said that the only way to know the cause is to do a biopsy in the liver, the ultrasound may not necessay show up everything. Can you tell me what was the figure with the liver results from blood test when Elyse was really sick. Just want to see what the figures are like when dog is sick. Thanks. The vet said she will give me the blood test result to take home when Chelsea is discharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwo2 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Chelsea came home on Saturday, vet said a big improvement in ALT when they did the blood test on Sat. ALT down to 750 (normal is 100), so I took her home for trial. However, last night she had a diahorrea, and then vomit out some yellow bait again this morning. She seem to look ok, and was begging for food. She ate all her meals, with only boiled chicken and the cavulox (antibiotics) mixed in it. The vet has prescribed her with Hills l/d can food, but I am not too keen to feed her with, as previous experience of her having canned food is runny poo. (and also, the can opener at home doesn't work....) Do I really have to feed her the l/d food? Will Cavulox cause vomitting or diahorrea? Will call the vet soon (I am at work) but see if I can get an earlier reply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 haven't used it- but the Hills food is specifically made for certain conditions. It should not contain stuff which will upset her. try it... if she gets worse- then ask the vet what else you can use. (and also, the can opener at home doesn't work....) No shops anywhere between work & home??? My aunt's little dog lived on Hills for the past couple of years.. she had urinary tract problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwo2 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 The main reason of me not feeding the Hills can is not that I can't get the can opener, I can buy one easily. But I am not in favour of any dog commercial food. I usually feed raw meat to Chelsea. I can't see why the canned food can be better than a fresh cooked piece of meat. Anyone got any idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 The main reason of me not feeding the Hills can is not that I can't get the can opener, I can buy one easily. But I am not in favour of any dog commercial food. I usually feed raw meat to Chelsea.I can't see why the canned food can be better than a fresh cooked piece of meat. Anyone got any idea? It's nutrionally balanced and it contains less protein and fat. Hills I/D is bascially just cooked chicken and rice. Now is not the time to let a feeding philosophy interfere with your dog's health Skwo. I'd be feeding the cans and reviewing all the your worming/flea treatments too. Don't use the spot stuff and cut it down to an absolute minimum of chemicals in her system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwo2 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Will try out the can. Chelsea has her worming tablet on every 14th of the month, so still a week or so before it is due. For flea treatment, I don't use it now, as it is winter, and I also use lavendar oil + almond oil for flea all the time. I brush her thoroughly everyday (given that she is a Bichon), so if there is any flea or tick, I would have notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwo2 Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Chelsea vomitted out again after dinner. The vet has told me not to give the clavolux just for tonight to see if that's the cause, but she still vomitted. She looks ok, apart from that she seems to be tired after she eats every meal. Will it because something stuck inside the tummy? the ultrasound would have show it? Any thoughts? Sigh....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 She could be very toxic:( If her liver is not working properly-- the toxins in her body..( normally the liver deals with a lot of the gunk,,,) will be making her very ill. Remember- if you are not happy.. and she is no better- you can always seek a second opinion from another vet. With her vomiting so frequently, and being ill.. DEHYDRATION would be a worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 skwo2- here.. I have been googling for some info.. THIS mau help you to understand just how important the liver is, and how unbalanced the body becomes if it is not working. I do hope your girl is feeling brighter in the morning- and I would suggest again- a second opinion is often a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Skwo2 .... just reading through your thread. I have nothing to offer you in the way of advice or help, other than to let you know I know your pain and worry, and that I am wishing for you both some good news and Chelsea's return to good health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neatz Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 The main reason of me not feeding the Hills can is not that I can't get the can opener, I can buy one easily. But I am not in favour of any dog commercial food. I usually feed raw meat to Chelsea.I can't see why the canned food can be better than a fresh cooked piece of meat. Anyone got any idea? It's nutrionally balanced and it contains less protein and fat. Hills I/D is bascially just cooked chicken and rice. Now is not the time to let a feeding philosophy interfere with your dog's health Skwo. I'd be feeding the cans and reviewing all the your worming/flea treatments too. Don't use the spot stuff and cut it down to an absolute minimum of chemicals in her system. Agree with PF. There is a dry food version in the Hills range also if you don't like the canned version. A fresh cooked peice of meat is not balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 If she is getting depressed after meals it's likely to be a liver problem and the best thing you can do is get her on the special diet, when my dog had the shunt he was also on something called lactulase which helped to absorb some of the toxins that the liver wasn't getting rid of. Hope she feels better soon, and that the cause is indentified quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwo2 Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 I gave Chelsea to try the can of food, but still vomit not soon after Chelsea just had a seizure/faint at lunch time today, she collapsed and then 4 legs were moving involuntary. She was vomitting, and then had the seizure. Back at the vet, now waiting for blood test result We discussed possible liver shunt, but the vet said ultrasound that we did last week had no evidence of such. I also asked about the bile acid test, the vet said testing on small dogs are not reliable. Also, is the antibiotics Cavolux giving to dogs a strong antibiotics? is it used often? Any thoughts..... I am just soooooo worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Clavulox is an antibiotic that's widely used in dogs, adverse reactions aren't common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I gave Chelsea to try the can of food, but still vomit not soon afterChelsea just had a seizure/faint at lunch time today, she collapsed and then 4 legs were moving involuntary. She was vomitting, and then had the seizure. Back at the vet, now waiting for blood test result We discussed possible liver shunt, but the vet said ultrasound that we did last week had no evidence of such. I also asked about the bile acid test, the vet said testing on small dogs are not reliable. Also, is the antibiotics Cavolux giving to dogs a strong antibiotics? is it used often? Any thoughts..... I am just soooooo worried. Some liver shunts are inside the liver.. you won't nail one of those on an ultra sound. I think you may be needing to talk to a specialist Skwo.. or your vet should be. Sending positive vibes for Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Poor Chelsea I hope your vet is helpful, or that you get an appointment with a specialist. *fingers crossed for tail wags soon* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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