JulesP Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 There seem to be a couple of us training weaves at the moment. How is it all going? I scored a copy of the 2x2 method from club! One of the joys of being an instructor, they have a great library that we can borrow from! The DVD is amazing but have to say it made me want to give up rather than inspiring me! Her One Jump made me think 'ok I can do that' but weaves had the opposite effect. Also I reckon you are fairly buggered with the method if your dog doesn't shape at all. Mine don't. Trying to get them to shape would cause too much angst I think. They get quite upset if not given direction! We are up to 4 poles offset. Poppy is trotting quite nicely through them. But don't don't think she quite understands what she is supposed to do yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) Yeah I have done a few days worth. Got some video but killed the camera in the process. Decided I am going to go back to 2 poles and work on the more extreme entries though before reintroducing the second set. I was having a bit of a chat to somebody who has worked through them and they sent me some video of the types of entries to work towards before adding the second set of poles. Edited April 10, 2009 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffy Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 There seem to be a couple of us training weaves at the moment. How is it all going? I scored a copy of the 2x2 method from club! One of the joys of being an instructor, they have a great library that we can borrow from! The DVD is amazing but have to say it made me want to give up rather than inspiring me! Her One Jump made me think 'ok I can do that' but weaves had the opposite effect. Also I reckon you are fairly buggered with the method if your dog doesn't shape at all. Mine don't. Trying to get them to shape would cause too much angst I think. They get quite upset if not given direction! We are up to 4 poles offset. Poppy is trotting quite nicely through them. But don't don't think she quite understands what she is supposed to do yet. I think I posted elsewhere that I re trained with the 2x2. My young dog could not shape when I started the re training, so I stopped the weaves and went away and played with my clicker and taught a few tricks. He learnt to try things again and with more determination. It was also fun for both of us. Then doing the 2x2 took no time at all. One thing I would suggest if your dog gets an incorrect entry, do as SG says and don’t move and make it easier. Also really play with your dog in between sending to the poles. I’ve seen a few videos of people just standing and waiting and the dog standing and waiting for guidance…ask for a hand touch or a spin, anything, then send again. Keep it all moving quickly and you’ll get fast weaves too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Our weaves are going well We can do 12 now properly and have done it a couple of times in a trial. Just working on tightening up some entries, after going back to fewer poles so I could do more repetitions, he has only missed one of the left side right angled entries in the last few days, which is the one we have problems with. Interestingly his favourite is right side right angled entries. Will take a video tomorrow (OH has promised :D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Ok I just went outside and did a short session, not videoed as camera has died and I need to get a new one (hopefully tomorrow ). I did one session in the back yard earlier this morning with 2 poles and she was doing nicely apart from the harder type entries on the right. She seems to have a mental hang up about them. She can do them but was more likely to stall out, run right around the poles. Any way I just took session 2 out to the front lawn for a change of scenery and the fact the back lawn could use a bit of a training holiday before it turns into a dust bowl :D . And I have 2 sets of poles in the car and didn't feel like carting set 2 around the back so just unloaded them out the front. I started the session with just 1 set. That was fine. Still stalling out on the harder right hand entries some of the time but for fear of stalling I did add the second set. She was fine with the super easy entries in doing both sets. Moderate entries she was ok but seemed to think she should run and enter in the second set even though I was rewarding her in between the first set when she did manage the two . It was happening the other night when I introduced the second set as well. Initially I thought it was a space issue as we don't have a huge yard/room to train at home but the same thing happened when I took the poles out to club where there was plenty of space to give her a run up into the first set. Anybody else encountered this and any idea what to do in this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 SG just said to reward after the first set, which you were doing. When her dog ran to the second set she just said opps or something and didn't reward. Then sent the dog back until she went through the first set and chucked the toy in between the 2 sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 (edited) Yeah I am just rewatching the dvd feature did it a few times but trendy didn't. I also notice in the video she doesn't have the super extreme entries when she does the 2 sets poles - maybe I have just jumped a bit far. Edited April 10, 2009 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 Poppy was doing it more like Trendy, the rewarding between the poles was breaking her flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Ok no video today because I decided to change tactics a fraction. Instead of having 2 sessions planned and videoed I adopted the half a dozen attempts approach whenever she was annoying me to play with her or whenever I happened to head outside into the yard. Found getting the video cam out sort of defeated that approach. Well she has gone from missing and running around the 2 poles to basically nailing difficult entries with the poles barely rotated (1/7), spaced at just greater then the poles being in a straight line. The day started out at 2/8 with a few misses in entry when I was up high in the arc on the right hand side. Tonight she will send from anywhere around level with the second set of poles and still get her entry a lot of the time (a few times she doesn't take herself out far enough) but when she does nail it she is head down and driving her poles. Will see if I can video something tomorrow. She just thinks its one huge game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smisch Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 lol well were just working on our weaves but not using 2x2 cos its taken us alot to get here so Im not stepping back!! I finally spent the money and built my 12 poles yesterday and spent most of today using them! Im being blown away by a little dog who in December couldn't right hand weave.. I started him on a jump and entry with me on the left hand.. he flew over the jump and entered and zoomed through to the end! Im really impressed with the progress made (I've done next to nothing since work started!) My other little dog.. who is a sook. is back at channel work cos he coped well lats time and he just needs a refresher and thats how I got him back to 12 poles in 4 weeks last time..! so hopefully we'll be good soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Paws Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Do you think the 2 x 2 method can be successful if your dog is not toy motivated at all?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 You can chuck food rather than the toy. Just need food that they can find easily! The starter tug (mesh tug) is good for chucking for dogs that aren't super into toys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Poppy started to want to enter at the second set of poles. I think because she knows the reward is at the end! I went back to rewarding at the first set of poles and she looked like she was getting it. When I trained Brock I used the channel method. I worked at getting him through the poles first and when he had understanding of that, started to do the harder entries. Poppy is already doing the hardest entries I set for Brock. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) Just in the process of uploading my session from this morning. Her early morning one before the beach was better but I didn't have my brain in gear at that hour of the day. We are only doing maybe 5 attempts in one turn now and she is doing very well. ETA. Jules P not sure how far your poles are apart but I was getting a lot of confusion when the poles were a distance apart. Now they are basically just a touch over competition distance still rotated and I don't find her wanting to enter at the second set as much. Edited April 13, 2009 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 The poles weren't super far apart. Almost like I had skipped a pole. Maybe that is the problem. SG had hers quite far apart. I now have them at normal distance just rotated. Next step will be to close the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yeah I tried SG's poles far apart bit and it wasn't working for me. She just thought she had to run between any 2 poles. So usually she would forget the first set and I sucked with my rewarding the first set bit - just confused her. Then she thought she only had to do the one set and would arc out wide after running through set 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Ok here is the video from this morning: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Looking good! I need to get me a video camera! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 You sure do JulesP . I had to get me a new one when I old one stopped last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Looking good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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