Vaccinations

[Erny]

the woman that i spoke to was quite adamant that if the dog was not vaccinated yearly then my dog would not be covered.

You need to double check though, as I suspect she did not articulate the situation very well to you (and I find it occurs frequently enough unless you specifically clarify with them whether they are saying your dog would be covered for nothing at all, regardless of whether the issue was, say, a car accident wound - heaven forbid - or some other completely unrelated veterinary event).

I would be highly surprised if it is as you understand it.

[Kirra_Bomber_Zeus]

the woman that i spoke to was quite adamant that if the dog was not vaccinated yearly then my dog would not be covered.

You need to double check though, as I suspect she did not articulate the situation very well to you (and I find it occurs frequently enough unless you specifically clarify with them whether they are saying your dog would be covered for nothing at all, regardless of whether the issue was, say, a car accident wound - heaven forbid - or some other completely unrelated veterinary event).

I would be highly surprised if it is as you understand it.

Hi Erny, I was told this a while ago too. I was just looking at the policy disclosure for "Petplan" on their website and it says they do not pay for:

"Any dog not vaccinated against distemper, hepatitis, kennel cough, leptospirosis (in areas where it is prevalent and Vets recommend vaccination) and parvovirus. "

It doesnt appear that they are saying they wont cover for certain things, its saying they wont insure these dogs at all (further up the list it says they wont insure APBT's, any of the restricted breeds or any crosses of them or dingo's either )

Not sure which plan willis08 was looking at or if there are some plans that do cover, Petplan was just the first one I came across

[Erny]

Hi Erny, I was told this a while ago too. I was just looking at the policy disclosure for "Petplan" on their website and it says they do not pay for:

"Any dog not vaccinated against distemper, hepatitis, kennel cough, leptospirosis (in areas where it is prevalent and Vets recommend vaccination) and parvovirus. "

It doesnt appear that they are saying they wont cover for certain things, its saying they wont insure these dogs at all (further up the list it says they wont insure APBT's, any of the restricted breeds or any crosses of them or dingo's either )

Not sure which plan willis08 was looking at or if there are some plans that do cover, Petplan was just the first one I came across

I am with PetPlan. I spoke with them and they confirmed that it means they will not cover for those things which the dog is not vaccinated for (in so far as the usual diseases are concerned). The dog IS covered for other things outside of those.

[goldens]

This is the press release from last summer when ProHeart was allowed back on the market here in the states. Several things are important about it. First, the vets actaully hae to regstar and take classes about it before they are allowed to purchase it. It is the FIRST animal med to ever be allowed on the market under risk claus (it is the first animal med to ever be pulled here in the states also)

One othe thing, when it was pulled from the market onSept. 3, 2004, they started at once trying to get it back and a hearing was set up on Jan. 31, 2005 with a 15 CVA memeber panel. It was open to the pubic and I know (via e--mail, phone ) who went and told the story of what appened to their dog. There were 3 from Texas, including a vet) and many, many of us who could not attened were asked to sent in our story a coupe of weeks before hand. Each panel member was given a copy of ever story--Was told there ws a big stack of them for each membe, who read them before the meeting.

Fort Dodge, naturally said their product was safe, was not causing all these ractions.deaths. And they gave Austalia where very few reactions or deaths were reported and theSR 12 was THREE times the dosage of the PH6. When asked if reactions/deaths were investigated the same way there, Dr. Rami Cobb, DVM said yes. That is not true according to many Aussie that came to American health forums and other groups looking for answers. Down there Fort Dodge investigates and decides if their product was at fault or not. Here, everything is reported to te CVA which is the animal deivsion of the Food and Drug Adminstrtion, and THEY, not Fort Dodge compiles all the data and decides. And in the case of ProHeart6, they found plenty of evidence that it was causing thousdans of reactions. The entire 300 page transcript can be found at http://www.dogsadversereactions.com

According to Dr. Victori Hampshire, DVM who took the reports and recorded the data, only 10 to15 % of allreactions are reported and te over 6000 reactions and over 600 deaths were only the tip. Was more like 60,000 reactions, 6,000 deaths. And my Hunter was one of them. His information to the FDA including his entire medical record of every vaccination and when, his check ups, etc. Of course, just having turned 4, and having never been sick, there was not much except for the paes of his AIHA and liver damage, his treatment, his necropsy. Most I talked to ha sent the same information about their dogs in as well, so they had a real picture of the dogs BEFORE proheart6.

v

I hae no idea of the 12 month is different or not--accroding to Dr. RamiCobb of Fort Dodge it si the same, only 3 times stronger. and iseems if it is to release over 12 insead of 6 months, other stuff could possibily have to be added to stretch the time release out. But I don't know. I just know what it did here in Americ, and what it did in Canada (there it can only be given to dogs who can not take any other forum of heartworm preventative And apparently many dogs down under also seuffered bad eactions/deaths.

Here is the UPI press release

WASHINGTON, June 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has announced a limited return of ProHeart 6, a reformulated heartworm prevention drug for dogs.

The drug -- produced by Ford Dodge Animal Health of Overland Park, Kan., a part of the Wyeth Pharmaceutical Co. -- had been withdrawn because of serious, life-threatening reactions, including loss of appetite, lethargy; vomiting and seizures, followed in some cases by death.

The FDA said it is allowing the reformulated ProHeart 6 (moxidectin) Sustained Release Injectable for Dogs to be sold under a risk minimization and restricted distribution program designed to provide for safe, appropriate use of the product, while minimizing risk to dogs.

"This is the first veterinary drug to be marketed under a risk minimization and restricted distribution program," said Dr. Bernadette Dunham, director of the FDA's Center for Veterinary Medicine. "Numerous drugs for use in people have been successfully marketed under similar programs."

The FDA said the risk minimization and restricted distribution program requires veterinarians who wish to purchase ProHeart 6 to register with the company and participate in an Internet training program prior to obtaining the product.

[willis08]

the woman that i spoke to was quite adamant that if the dog was not vaccinated yearly then my dog would not be covered.

You need to double check though, as I suspect she did not articulate the situation very well to you (and I find it occurs frequently enough unless you specifically clarify with them whether they are saying your dog would be covered for nothing at all, regardless of whether the issue was, say, a car accident wound - heaven forbid - or some other completely unrelated veterinary event).

I would be highly surprised if it is as you understand it.

Hi Erny, I was told this a while ago too. I was just looking at the policy disclosure for "Petplan" on their website and it says they do not pay for:

"Any dog not vaccinated against distemper, hepatitis, kennel cough, leptospirosis (in areas where it is prevalent and Vets recommend vaccination) and parvovirus. "

It doesnt appear that they are saying they wont cover for certain things, its saying they wont insure these dogs at all (further up the list it says they wont insure APBT's, any of the restricted breeds or any crosses of them or dingo's either )

Not sure which plan willis08 was looking at or if there are some plans that do cover, Petplan was just the first one I came across

It was 'Petplan' that i was considering KBZ, at first glance it seems like good cover, but when I read through the product disclosure statement there are a few things that i wanted answers too, in there policy it states " YOU must arrange for your pet to be kept vaccinated against the following; DOGS: distemper, hepatitis, kennel cough, leptospirosis ( in areas where it is prevelent and vets recommend vaccination ) and parvovirus and any other vaccination recommended to you by a vet". So my question to the woman i spoke to at ' petplan' was, once initial vaccs are done on my dog, would 'petplan' accept titre results as proof of immunity instead of the dog being vaccs yearly. Her answer was NO!. What about the bit in there that states, 'and any other vaccination recommended to you by a vet '. It was a VET that recommended my last dog have PROHEART12 !

[Crisovar]

the woman that i spoke to was quite adamant that if the dog was not vaccinated yearly then my dog would not be covered.

You need to double check though, as I suspect she did not articulate the situation very well to you (and I find it occurs frequently enough unless you specifically clarify with them whether they are saying your dog would be covered for nothing at all, regardless of whether the issue was, say, a car accident wound - heaven forbid - or some other completely unrelated veterinary event).

I would be highly surprised if it is as you understand it.

Hi Erny, I was told this a while ago too. I was just looking at the policy disclosure for "Petplan" on their website and it says they do not pay for:

"Any dog not vaccinated against distemper, hepatitis, kennel cough, leptospirosis (in areas where it is prevalent and Vets recommend vaccination) and parvovirus. "

It doesnt appear that they are saying they wont cover for certain things, its saying they wont insure these dogs at all (further up the list it says they wont insure APBT's, any of the restricted breeds or any crosses of them or dingo's either )

Not sure which plan willis08 was looking at or if there are some plans that do cover, Petplan was just the first one I came across

It was 'Petplan' that i was considering KBZ, at first glance it seems like good cover, but when I read through the product disclosure statement there are a few things that i wanted answers too, in there policy it states " YOU must arrange for your pet to be kept vaccinated against the following; DOGS: distemper, hepatitis, kennel cough, leptospirosis ( in areas where it is prevelent and vets recommend vaccination ) and parvovirus and any other vaccination recommended to you by a vet". So my question to the woman i spoke to at ' petplan' was, once initial vaccs are done on my dog, would 'petplan' accept titre results as proof of immunity instead of the dog being vaccs yearly. Her answer was NO!. What about the bit in there that states, 'and any other vaccination recommended to you by a vet '. It was a VET that recommended my last dog have PROHEART12 !

Proheart SR12 is not a Vaccination. It would not be included in the required Vaccinations one would think.

[ninahartland]

Have noticed no one has mentioned anything about a C8 vacc {unless i've missed it}.Last year got my card in the mail from vet "your dogs vaccination is due" ,so dutifully took him down and before i knew it,[not until i came to pay as it cost more] ,told me he'd had C8! Was very peed off I can tell you but was too late by then,already had it in him

Since being on DOL and learning more about vaccinations,am not going to do any of them again for at least 3 years and maybe not even then.

Nina

[RubyStar]

What's in the C8? ie. what does it cover? I haven't heard of this one.

[ninahartland]

I'd never heard of it either.The only thing I remember the vet saying was it had tetunus cover,can't remember what else it covered though.

Does anyone else know?

[Crisovar]

Lepto and Corona Virus as well as C5

[alanglen]

IMHO boarding kennels, dog clubs and insurance companies will have to soon catch up to the times and accept titre tests instead of annual vaccines but lots of people are limited by their decisions at present.

Erny - I do appreciate no-one is saying not to vaccinate but titre testing needs to be done regularly and vaccination reactions (with everything from allergy to immune mediated diseases) is a possibility with vaccines and many types of medications. The biggest problem is they can happen after just 1 vaccine or after several. So the theory of less is better is probably true but won't reduce much of the reaction statistics. Not sure if that has made sense but I just feel people need to be very well educated on this topic with all the pro's and cons.

[alanglen]

C8 is usual C3, bronchoshield 3 (3 types of kennel cough, local immunity), lepto (not a problem in Aussie dogs) and corona (usually a puppy problem)

[Kirra_Bomber_Zeus]

The biggest problem is they can happen after just 1 vaccine or after several. So the theory of less is better is probably true but won't reduce much of the reaction statistics.

Yes, reactions can happen after the first vaccination (my dog did), but of course less vaccinations will reduce reaction statistics - a dog is at risk of reacting each time you vaccinate, therefore if you use a 'minimum vaccination' program your dog is at less risk.

Sorry to everyone that I havent sent the AVA newsletter with info re titer testing yet - I have it right in front of me but my stupid scanner will not work!!! I'll scan it at work tomorrow

[willis08]

Have noticed no one has mentioned anything about a C8 vacc {unless i've missed it}.Last year got my card in the mail from vet "your dogs vaccination is due" ,so dutifully took him down and before i knew it,[not until i came to pay as it cost more] ,told me he'd had C8! Was very peed off I can tell you but was too late by then,already had it in him

Since being on DOL and learning more about vaccinations,am not going to do any of them again for at least 3 years and maybe not even then.

Nina

I would be peeved about that as well, this is why i asked this question to begin with, about what brand of vaccs other people use? do you have a preference? since reading everyones responses it seems as though most people trust their vet to do what is right for the dog, after all he/she is qualified to administer health treatment to animals. But then i notice the people that have had a bad experience with vaccs or medications, like myself, go in search of their own answers and information. Ninahartland experience with a vet just jabbing the dog with a C8 and not consulting about the whys or fors beforehand ,then expect you to pay the bill, is so wrong. But unfortunately common practice with so many vets. I am aware that proheart12 is not a vaccination, my point was the vet gave it at the same time as the C5, gave it to a dog that was 7 years old, and did not inform me of the risks beforehand. I can't see why the proheart12 in oz would be different than proheart6 in the U.S except the one used here is triple the dose. If the Proheart12 is safer to use because it is different, or safer than Proheart6 , than why didn't fort dodge introduce what we get to the U.S market ? In regards to vaccinating i'm thankful to all the people on DOL that have shared their knowledge.

[goldens]

Gee. I had never wondered why you got 12 month, and got 6 month. If the 12 month is safer, why not here? One thing, here, we have the animal division of the Food and Drug Admistration watching, keeping records etc and the John Q. Public can get copies of everthing. They are the ones that had it pulled the first time it was out. The data showed it was killing to many dogs causing to many reactions. It is my understanding---from Aussies that came to Ameican forums, animal health forms, etc, looking for answers that down there Fort Dodge does the investigating, record keeping and there is no pubic records that can be gotten. Perhaps many mamy more reactions/deaths are going on down there than is known about because Fort Dodge keeps things under wraps. One thing, Fort Dodge did try to pull a sneaky here, got the CVA vetr that stirred things up release from her job, but investigation proved it was bogus charges and some of our senators are demanding actions against them. All this can befound at http://www.dogsadverereactions.com, which was started be a lady that almot lost her pug to PH6 and this gal KNOWS how to get stuff thru our Freedom of Information Act. I was able to get the governemtn report on Hunter thru theFOI. Aslo about the read the300 pge trnscrip of when they tried to get it

back on the market.

[Erny]

Erny - I do appreciate no-one is saying not to vaccinate but titre testing needs to be done regularly and vaccination reactions (with everything from allergy to immune mediated diseases) is a possibility with vaccines and many types of medications. The biggest problem is they can happen after just 1 vaccine or after several. So the theory of less is better is probably true but won't reduce much of the reaction statistics. Not sure if that has made sense but I just feel people need to be very well educated on this topic with all the pro's and cons.

I agree that 1 vaccination can bring about a reaction in some dogs. In that case, it is a matter of vaccinate or not (at all). I don't think I agree with that, as I think vaccinations do have many pluses, even though there are for some dogs, some negatives.

However, once the dog is vaccinated and immunity is confirmed (titre test) I don't see the point of regularly stressing the dog's immune system by re-vaccinating at the frequency that has been the accepted routine for past decades. To do so only increases the potential for health issues - whether they be in the short or the longer term. IMO, there are a good number of health issues which our dogs commonly suffer at some stage in their lives that many people don't draw a connection to vaccinations, but for which there is a potential connection.

[Erny]

Following is a copy/paste of a post made in another (UK) forum I visit. Due to the terms of this forum I am unable to link you there. It provides a LOT of reading and information - so much so that I have not finished reading it thoroughly nor checked the information given by the links it references. But I figured there would be many here on DOL that would enjoy reading it. Note that I am not the author. It is prepared by Kris L Christine. Kris doesn't seem to carry initials after her name (which does not purport that what she writes is wrong or insignificant) but seems to have been very active in endeavouring to spread the news and information on vaccinations and vaccination frequency and moreover in trying to bring about regulation that will oblige Veterinarians to disclose the affects/effects of vaccinations so that the owners of the animals that are presented to them for care may make informed medical choices for their animals. Note that this is not occurring in our Country, but IMO it would be a good move if it was.

It is a long post packed with informative thoughts and suggestions.

"VACCINES--Distemper, Hepatitis, Parvo

There is much confusion in the general public about the duration of immunity of canine vaccines. Below is a copy of my testimony and model disclosure submitted to Maine's Agriculture Committee in support of LD 429, the nation's first pet vaccine disclosure legislation, which was introduced on my behalf by Representative Peter Rines of Wiscasset.

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February 27, 2005

TO: The Agriculture, Conservation and Forest Committee

RE: LD 429, An Act to Require Veterinarians to Provide Vaccine Disclosure Forms

My name is Kris Christine and I live with my family in Maine. Before I begin my testimony, I’d like to advise the committee that one of the world’s leading veterinary research scientists, Dr. W. Jean Dodds, wanted to be here today to testify in support of LD429, but could not do so because of prior commitments. With her permission, in the attachments to my testimony, I have included her letter to Representative Peter Rines dated February 17, 2005 (Attachment 5) resolutely endorsing this first-in-the-nation veterinary vaccine disclosure legislation.

I am here today to respectfully urge this committee to recommend passage of LD429 – An Act to Require Veterinarians to Provide Vaccine Disclosure Forms because pet owners need the scientifically proven durations of immunity (how long vaccines are effective for) in order to make informed medical choices for their animals.

Many Maine veterinarians have failed to inform clients that most core veterinary vaccines protect for seven or more years, and pet owners, unaware that their animals don’t need booster vaccinations more often, have unwittingly given their companions useless booster shots – taking an unnecessary toll on their finances and animals’ health. The human equivalent would be physicians vaccinating patients against tetanus once every year, two years, or three years and not disclosing that the vaccines are known to be protective for 10 years.

For years veterinarians have sent pet owners annual, biennial and triennial reminders for redundant booster shots and justified it with vaccine manufacturers’ labeled recommendations. According to the American Veterinary Medical Association’s (AVMA) Principles of Vaccination (Attachment 6), “..revaccination frequency recommendations found on many vaccine labels is based on historical precedent, not on scientific data … [and] does not resolve the question about average or maximum duration of immunity [Page 2] and..may fail to adequately inform practitioners about optimal use of the product…[Page 4] .” As the Colorado State University Veterinary Teaching Hospital states it: “…booster vaccine recommendations for vaccines other than rabies virus have been determined arbitrarily by manufacturers.”

Dr. Ronald Schultz, Chairman of Pathobiological Sciences at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine, is at the forefront of vaccine research and is one of the world’s leading authorities on veterinary vaccines. His challenge study results form the scientific base of the American Animal Hospital Association’s (AAHA) 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines, Recommendations, and Supporting Literature (Attachment 7). These studies are based on science – they are not arbitrary. The public, however, cannot access this data. The American Animal Hospital Association only makes this report available to veterinarians, not private citizens, and Maine’s pet owners are unaware that the AAHA Guidelines state on Page 18 that: “We now know that booster injections are of no value in dogs already immune, and immunity from distemper infection and vaccination lasts for a minimum of 7 years based on challenge studies and up to 15 years (a lifetime) based on antibody titer.” They further state that hepatitis and parvovirus vaccines have been proven to protect for a minimum of 7 years by challenge and up to 9 and 10 years based on antibody count. So, unless the Legislature passes LD429 requiring veterinarians to provide vaccine disclosure forms, dog owners who receive an annual, biennial, or triennial reminders for booster shots will not know that nationally-accepted scientific studies have demonstrated that animals are protected a minimum of 7 years after vaccination with the distemper, parvovirus, and adenovirus-2 vaccines (see Page 12 AAHA 2003 Guidelines attached, and Table 1, Pages 3 and 4).

"My own pets are vaccinated once or twice as pups and kittens, then never again except for rabies,” Wall Street Journal reporter Rhonda L. Rundle quoted Dr. Ronald Schultz in a July 31, 2002 article entitled Annual Pet Vaccinations may be Unnecessary, Fatal (Attachment 2). Dr. Schultz knows something the pet-owning public doesn’t – he knows there’s no benefit in overvaccinating animals because immunity is not enhanced, but the risk of harmful adverse reactions is increased. He also knows that most core veterinary vaccines are protective for at least seven years, if not for the lifetime of the animal.

The first entry under Appendix 2 of the AAHA Guidelines (Attachment 7) “Important Vaccination ‘Do’s and Don’ts” is “Do Not Vaccinate Needlessly – Don’t revaccinate more often than is needed and only with the vaccines that prevent diseases for which that animal is at risk.” They also caution veterinarians: “Do Not Assume that Vaccines Cannot Harm a Patient – Vaccines are potent medically active agents and have the very real potential of producing adverse events.” Very few pet owners have had this disclosed to them.

The AVMA’s Principles of Vaccination (Attachment 6) states that “Unnecessary stimulation of the immune system does not result in enhanced disease resistance, and may increase the risk of adverse post-vaccination events.” (page 2) They elaborate by reporting that: “Possible adverse events include failure to immunize, anaphylaxis, immunosuppression, autoimmune disorders, transient infections, and/or long-term infected carrier states. In addition, a causal association in cats between injection sites and the subsequent development of a malignant tumor is the subject of ongoing research.”(Page 2)

Referring to adverse reactions from vaccines, the Wall Street Journal article cited above (Attachment 2) reports: “In cats there has been a large increase in hyperthyroidism and cancerous tumors between the shoulder blades where vaccines typically are injected.” With modified live virus vaccines (distemper, parvovirus, hepatitis), some animals can actually contract the same disease which they are being inoculated against. If the public knew an animal’s immunity to disease is not increased by overvaccination, they would certainly not consent to expose their pets to potential harm by giving them excessive booster shots.

Veterinary vaccines are potent biologic drugs – most having proven durations of immunity much longer than the annual, biennial or triennial booster frequencies recommended by vaccine manufacturers and veterinarians. They also carry the very real risk of serious adverse side affects and should not be administered more often than necessary to maintain immunity.

The extended durations of immunity for vaccines is not “new” or “recent” science as some members of the Maine Veterinary Medical Association (MVMA) have claimed. AAHA reveals on Page 2 of their Guidelines that ideal reduced vaccination protocols were recommended by vaccinology experts beginning in 1978. A Veterinary Practice News article entitled “Managing Vaccine Changes” (Attachment 3) by veterinarian Dennis M. McCurnin, reports that: “Change has been discussed for the past 15 years and now has started to move across the country."

According to a September 1, 2004 article in the DVM veterinary news magazine (Attachment 1), the 312 member Maine Veterinary Medical Association (MVMA) “champions full disclosure of vaccine information to pet owners.” MVMA president, Dr. Bill Bryant, is quoted as stating: “Its time for something like this to come out … disclosure forms will be an important resource to have available, [and] if it goes before the Legislature, we’d likely support it.”

It is time. Pet owners have the right to know the scientifically proven durations of immunity for the veterinary vaccines given their animals, as well as the potential adverse side effects and benefits. LD 429 would make that standardized information available to all pet owners.

Respectfully submitted,

Kris L. Christine

Attachments

MODEL CANINE CORE VACCINE DISCLOSURE FORM

Prepared by Kris L. Christine

Vaccines have played a significant role in enabling animals to live longer and healthier lives. Thorough evaluations of the risks of the disease, and those potentially associated with the vaccine, compared to the benefits of vaccination for the patient, are necessary in crafting optimal health recommendations that include vaccination.

The proper application of vaccines to animal populations has enhanced their health and welfare, and prolonged their life-spans. The risks to animal health from non-vaccination are significant. However, vaccination is a potent medical procedure associated with both benefits and risks for the patient. Adverse events, including some that are potentially severe, can be unintended consequences of vaccination. Because vaccinating an animal which is already immune to a disease does not increase their immunity, but does expose them to the risk of adverse reactions, it is important to avoid overvaccination. Blood titers can help determine whether an animal’s antibody count is at protective levels.

The risks associated with the core canine diseases are as follows:

1. Distemper – high rates of morbidity and mortality from respiratory, gastrointestinal and neurological abnormalities; a widespread disease

2. Parvovirus – high rates of morbidity and mortality resulting primarily from gastrointestinal disease; this disease has worldwide distribution;

3. Canine Adenovirus – high rates of morbidity and mortality from liver dysfunction

4. Rabies – nearly universally fatal neurological disease. Infected animals are a potential source for human infection, thus vaccination is mandated by law in most states.

The risks associated with vaccination are as follows:

Possible adverse events from vaccination include failure to immunize, anaphylaxis, immunosuppression, autoimmune disorders such as hyper/hypothyroidism, polyarthritis, allergies, transient infections, and/or long-term infected carrier states. In addition, a causal association in cats between injection sites and the subsequent development of a malignant tumor is the subject of ongoing research.

Optimal immune responses are obtained by vaccines administered singly three to four weeks apart rather than in combination shots. Single vaccine administration also reduces the likelihood of adverse events as well as increasing the animal’s immune response. Only healthy animals should be vaccinated.

Except for the rabies vaccine, manufacturers’ labeled revaccination recommendations are based on limited scientific data and do not contain information on the vaccine’s maximum duration of immunity. The tables below contain the minimum duration of immunity data from the canine vaccine studies performed by Dr. Ronald Schultz, Professor and Chair of the Pathobiological Sciences Department at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine, which form the scientific base of the American Animal Hospital’s 2003 Canine Vaccine Guidelines, Recommendations, and Supporting Literature.

If your animal experiences any of the following symptoms after vaccination, you should contact your veterinary care provider immediately: fever, vomiting, diarrhea, uncontrollable trembling, lack of coordination, seizures or a hard lump at the vaccination site which doesn’t disappear after a couple of weeks.

__________________________________________________ _______________________________________

Table 1: Minimum Duration of Immunity for Canine Vaccines

Vaccine Minimum Duration Methods Used to

Of Immunity Determine Immunity

Canine Distemper Virus (CDV)

Rockborn Strain 7 years/15 years challenge/serology

Onderstepoort Strain 5 years/9 years challenge/serology

Canine Adenovirus-2 (CAV-2) 7 years/9 years challenge-CAV-1/serology

Canine Parvovirus-2 (CPV-2) 7 years challenge/serology

Canine Rabies 3 years/7 years challenge/serology

Data from Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What we know and Don’t Know by Dr. Ronald D. Schultz, Professor and Chair, Department of Pathobiological Sciences at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine.

Note: Challenge studies are those in which an animal is vaccinated, isolated for a number of years, and then injected with high doses of virulent virus to test its immunity to disease. Serology is the method of counting antibody levels in the blood to determine an animal’s immunity.

Duration of Immunity: The Rabies Vaccine Challenge - Show #185 Animal Talk Radio Show 7/30/08 http://www.blogtalkradio.com/animalt...lenge-Show-186

Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don't Know, Dr. Ronald Schultz http://www.cedarbayvet.com/duration_of_immunity.htm

What Everyone Needs to Know about Canine Vaccines, Dr. Ronald Schultz

http://www.puliclub.org/CHF/AKC2007C...20Vaccines.htm

Vaccination: An Overview Dr. Melissa Kennedy, DVM360 http://veterinarycalendar.dvm360.com....jsp?id=568351

World Small Animal Veterinary Association 2007 Vaccine Guidelines http://www.wsava.org/SAC.htm Scroll down to Vaccine Guidelines 2007 (PDF)

The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at http://www.leerburg.com/special_report.htm .

The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocumen...s06Revised.pdf .

Veterinarian, Dr. Robert Rogers,has an excellent presentation on veterinary vaccines at http://www.newvaccinationprotocols.com/

October 1, 2002 DVM Newsletter article entitled, AVMA, AAHA to Release Vaccine Positions, http://www.dvmnewsmagazine.com/dvm/a...l.jsp?id=35171

July 1, 2003 DVM Newsletter article entitled, What Do We Tell Our Clients?, Developing thorough plan to educate staff on changing vaccine protocols essential for maintaining solid relationships with clients and ensuring quality care http://www.dvmnewsmagazine.com/dvm/a...l.jsp?id=61696

July 1, 2003, DVM Newsletter article, Developing Common Sense Strategies for Fiscal Responsibility: Using an interactive template to plan service protocol changes http://www.dvmnewsmagazine.com/dvm/a...l.jsp?id=61694

Animal Wellness Magazine Article Vol. 8 Issue 6, How Often Does he REALLY Need A Rabies Shot Animal Wellness Magazine - devoted to natural health in animals

The Rabies Challenge Animal Wise Radio Interview

Listen to Animal Wise (scroll down to The Rabies Challenge 12/9/07)

The Vaccine Challenge Animal Talk Naturally Online Radio Show » The Vaccine Challenge - Show #91

Rabies Shot Killed my Poodle May 28, 2008 Channel 5 News WCVB http://www.thebostonchannel.com:80/n...ss=bos&taf=bos

US Declared Canine-Rabies Free -- CDC Announces at Inaugural World Rabies Day Symposium CDC Press Release - September 7, 2007

Rabies Prevention -- United States, 1991 Recommendations of the Immunization Practices Advisory Committee (ACIP), Center for Disease Control's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly March 22, 1991 / 40(RR03);1-19 http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00041987.htm "A fully vaccinated dog or cat is unlikely to become infected with rabies, although rare cases have been reported (48). In a nationwide study of rabies among dogs and cats in 1988, only one dog and two cats that were vaccinated contracted rabies (49). All three of these animals had received only single doses of vaccine; no documented vaccine failures occurred among dogs or cats that had received two vaccinations. "

Edited March 30, 2009 by Erny

[goldens]

She belongs to several forum I belong to but does very limited posting. Most of her posts concern vaccinations She and others are leading to a fight to get it standard all over the US that rabies be given every 3 years instead of every year since the makers state the vaccine is good for 3 years. I do not know if she has a bunch of letters, degrees, etc, or just on a mission to get smething wrng set right. But most of us totally believe as she does about vaccines. They are needed, but htere is such a a thing is over doing.

Our state of Texas has make the law dogs must be vaccinated every 3 years for rabies. HOWEVER in ther "wisdom" they also said each county and each city can make it's own laws about tht. The city over rides the county, the county over rides state. At the moment, both my small town and the county say every year. My vet is so against it as he says the vax are good for 3 years.

Say the town said every 3 years and the county said every year and of course the states does say every 3 years. Living here in the townm I would only need to vaccinate against rabies every 3 years (city over rides county), but those a couple of blocks away out of city limits would have to vaccinate every year (county over rides state.) This is a situation my brother lives in He is barely in city limits where the ruling is every 3 yearsm, so only has his dogs every 3 years. Coule doors down are out of city limts and the county says every year so they have to have it done every yr. Jus a matter of 50 yards and dogs getvaccinated for rabies totally different.

My vet said many vets do not want to give up that visit/vaccination/MONEY every year and fight to keep the vax every year. He is against it saying dogs do not need it. She is working on getting it even all over the states instead of his mix and mach within miles or even feet of each other.

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Following is a copy/paste of a post made in another (UK) forum I visit. Due to the terms of this forum I am unable to link you there. It provides a LOT of reading and information - so much so that I have not finished reading it thoroughly nor checked the information given by the links it references. But I figured there would be many here on DOL that would enjoy reading it. Note that I am not the author. It is prepared by Kris L Christine. Kris doesn't seem to carry initials after her name (which does not purport that what she writes is wrong or insignificant) but seems to have been very active in endeavouring to spread the news and information on vaccinations and vaccination frequency and moreover in trying to bring about regulation that will oblige Veterinarians to disclose the affects/effects of vaccinations so that the owners of the animals that are presented to them for care may make informed medical choices for their animals. Note that this is not occurring in our Country, but IMO it would be a good move if it was.

It is a long post packed with informative thoughts and suggestions.

Thankyou for posting this Erny