Zhou Xuanyao Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 If existing dangerous dog legislation was effectively enforced with we wouldn't need any more laws. The existing dog laws (apart from bsl) are ok but they need to be expanded we need more awareness and education. NSW has one of the best and most workable pieces of companion animal legislation, the only thing missing is that it's not fully enforced. The BSL is garbage and the only places they attempt to enforce it is in towns full of sad sods that have nothing better to do than make peoples lives miserable. Midol Thanks for the info regarding the greyhounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) . Edited March 23, 2009 by Terrorbull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/con...act/caa1998174/This one should do it. Basically, for offending dogs, there is a system of " notice of intent" to declare a dog to be dangerous, various opportunites for owners to appeal along the way and for council to revoke orders. We have had mandatory chipping and registration for many years now and the CAA is very fair to dog owners, when it comes to setting out their rights and their responsibilities. If only dog owners could comply with the basics and councils had the resources and the inclination to enforce it. The NSW Act looks good, but it does seem, in Section 55 (Restricted Dogs), to be quite breed specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/con...act/caa1998174/This one should do it. Basically, for offending dogs, there is a system of " notice of intent" to declare a dog to be dangerous, various opportunites for owners to appeal along the way and for council to revoke orders. We have had mandatory chipping and registration for many years now and the CAA is very fair to dog owners, when it comes to setting out their rights and their responsibilities. If only dog owners could comply with the basics and councils had the resources and the inclination to enforce it. The NSW Act looks good, but it does seem, in Section 55 (Restricted Dogs), to be quite breed specific. That's the BSL part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/con...act/caa1998174/This one should do it. Basically, for offending dogs, there is a system of " notice of intent" to declare a dog to be dangerous, various opportunites for owners to appeal along the way and for council to revoke orders. We have had mandatory chipping and registration for many years now and the CAA is very fair to dog owners, when it comes to setting out their rights and their responsibilities. If only dog owners could comply with the basics and councils had the resources and the inclination to enforce it. The NSW Act looks good, but it does seem, in Section 55 (Restricted Dogs), to be quite breed specific. It is good, they could repeal section 55 tomorrow and still have adequate and effective laws regarding dangerous dogs. But that's not going to happen when dog owners cannot comply with the current legislation on even the simplist parts of the act like chipping and registration. Hence the need to door knocks and random checks, it's time to fine those who are letting the responsible dog owners down by failing to comply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yes it is going to happen its inevitable. BSL is going out and when it does no one will forget not only those that fought for it but those that didnt fight against it I know I wont and that includes the pissweak RSPCA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 No political party in NSW as far as I'm aware wants the legislation repealed. Without the support of the major parties, it's here to stay. In the mean time, the CAA is very clear as to the rights and responsibilites of every dog owner in the state. The Greyhound folk have made significant advances and have lobbied well for the changes to legislation they have brought about. They have done so by complying with the laws ( regardless of them believing them to be fair or not ), they have demonstrated that certain dogs do not pose a threat to the community or other animals if owned responsibly. So far the Pit Bull folk, years down the track have managed to demonstrate none of the aforementioned, hence no changes in this state and no likelyhood of it happening any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yes it is going to happen its inevitable. BSL is going out and when it does no one will forget not only those that fought for it but those that didnt fight against it I know I wont and that includes the pissweak RSPCA. If it goes out Cal, it will be because the organisation you currently refer to as "pissweak" is onside for the change. If people really want to see BSL overturned, perhaps its time to recognise who the key stakeholders are and get them onside for the process rather than continuing on with the same old abusive tirades that got absolutely nowhere last time around. Don't kid yourself about how change might be made and who will need to advocate for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhou Xuanyao Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) This is going to be an exciting year for those of us against bsl. 2009 has been and will continue to be a year of progress with several leading governments flushing bsl down the toilet where it belongs. Expert opinion and leading animal welfare organizations cant be ignored forever. This RSPCA is a joke iv got no faith in lobbying them to do anything. The only way they will stand up is when they are forced. The pressure will build here in Australia as laws are written off overseas, foriegn RSPCA are now against bsl, including the RSPCA in Britian, which is where we copied the laws from in the first place, the ASPCA in the USA, and many others. They will be pressured into a leadership role sooner or later iv got no doubt about that. Its coming folks keep fighting, enjoy your Pitties and in the meantime With permission to use the image by its creator, ricey Edited March 23, 2009 by calsonic350z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) . Edited March 23, 2009 by Terrorbull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 This is going to be an exciting year for those of us against bsl. 2009 has been and will continue to be a year of progress with several leading governments flushing bsl down the toilet where it belongs.Expert opinion and leading animal welfare organizations cant be ignored forever. This RSPCA is a joke iv got no faith in lobbying them to do anything. The only way they will stand up is when they are forced. Last time I checked the RSPCA was the leading animal welfare organisation in this country. For better or worse, they have tremendous influence on all aninal related legislation. At least one State RSPCA is on record as not supporting BSL. There are others expressing similar sentiments. I suggest you might like to investigate the issue a bit more thoroughly before declaring the entire organisation hostile to your aims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickasyoucan Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) Not dipping into the subject of the repeal of BSL but on the subject of enforcement of other parts of the NSW CAA, I wish that there was more widespread enforcement of the requirement to chip AND register. For one thing, that would make it much easier to identify all the poor dogs who make their way into the pounds. Not saying that some ratbag owners would necessarily go and collect them, but at least it would make someone accountable and might help reunite a fair few pets with their owners before it is too late for them. I was picking up a dog from Wollongong Pound the other day and there was a woman in there who was trying to convince the employee she had no idea a dog had to be both chipped AND registered. I wonder how far public education has really got with Joe Public. Her dog was chipped but it is as good as useless if there is no registration. I for one would be happy with a dog permit system for all dogs, including a cooling off period after you obtained your permit to let you think about the rights and responsibilities of dog ownership. Might stop a few impulse buys from pet shops. Buying a dog (and getting rid of one) is just too easy IMO and the dogs are the ones who suffer. ETA: I know you still wouldn't capture everyone, but it might mean the crims had to work just that bit harder to hide illegal activities. Edited March 23, 2009 by Quickasyoucan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernStarPits Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) Problem is there is no Pit Bull association, or active group like the greyhound mob. once apon a time long long ago this was not the case, but there never will be again. Many in the breed are happy for BSL to continue, as a way of keeping the dogs out of others hands. ( the too hard basket factor) The APBT world in Australia is a minority breed without stakeholders.. Edited March 23, 2009 by NorthernStarPits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Problem is there is no Pit Bull association, or active group like the greyhound mob. once apon a time long long ago this was not the case, but there never will be again.Many in the breed are happy for BSL to continue, as a way of keeping the dogs out of others hands. ( the too hard basket factor) The APBT world in Australia is a minority breed without stakeholders.. Couple that with the irresponsible owners and yes there's quite a few of those and the breed is going nowhere fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernStarPits Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Thats the thing why does it have to go anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgrubber Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Thats the thing why does it have to go anywhere? If my breed was discriminated against the way that APBT's are, I'd certainly want it to go somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Thats the thing why does it have to go anywhere? If my breed was discriminated against the way that APBT's are, I'd certainly want it to go somewhere. Like a shift in the publics perception of it's image and the support of the pollies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Is the EDBA still in action? Havent heard anything from them in months, if not years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernStarPits Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I've read that question dozens of times T, let me know if you get a reply, even via email! The action I have seen are spokspersons in the media whenever RB or DD articles are printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Stuff that works (and a great blog if you want a good full story on the implementation, then repeals of BSL in the US) Calgary does it right... http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/200...-incidents.html Edited to add: more stuff on their program can be found here: http://staging.network.bestfriends.org/cs/...bill-bruce.aspx http://network.bestfriends.org/news/print.aspx?np=30060 Edited March 24, 2009 by shel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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