Heidii Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hey Can someone tell me what obstales your dog has to complete when entered in NOVICE? Is it different for each state? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidii Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Ok, i think i found the answer on the vic agility site MANDATORY Broad Jump Dog Walk Hoop Single Hurdle Spread Hurdle Scramble Table Flexible Tunnel Weaving poles x 12 What is a Scramble? The website says "There is no limit to the number of times an obstacle can be used, with the exception of the contact obstacles, spread hurdle, table and weaves which are not to be used more than once" So does this mean I can create my own course and do whatever I want but within the standards mentioned above? Im so confused Is this the same for every state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 So does this mean I can create my own course and do whatever I want but within the standards mentioned above? Im so confused well you can...but it may not resemble what is typically a Novice course. Novice is generally a flowing course in a curve shape, generally has 1-2 changes of side, no obstacle discrimination, no tight turns or difficult entries onto contact obstacles or weaves. Minimum distance between obstacles is 4 metres. The rules are supposed to be the same in each state, there are some local trends but the rules for number & type of obstacles will be the same. A scramble is an Aframe. I will PM you a link to some Novice courses you can look at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) The website says "There is no limit to the number of times an obstacle can be used, with the exception of the contact obstacles, spread hurdle, table and weaves which are not to be used more than once"So does this mean I can create my own course and do whatever I want but within the standards mentioned above? Im so confused What that means is that jumps and tunnels can be used a number of times in the course, but the contact obstacles, spread, table and weaves will only be used once. So there may be several jumps and tunnels, or you may do the same jumps and tunnels more than once. The course is numbered, and you do it sequentially. There is a penalty for taking the wrong obstacle. Vickie, I think she means running a course, not setting a course out. Edited March 5, 2009 by Kavik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Ooops, sorry. I thought she was wanting to set some stuff up to practise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidii Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Ooops, sorry. I thought she was wanting to set some stuff up to practise. Thanks Vicki, Those links are great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidii Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 The website says "There is no limit to the number of times an obstacle can be used, with the exception of the contact obstacles, spread hurdle, table and weaves which are not to be used more than once"So does this mean I can create my own course and do whatever I want but within the standards mentioned above? Im so confused What that means is that jumps and tunnels can be used a number of times in the course, but the contact obstacles, spread, table and weaves will only be used once. So there may be several jumps and tunnels, or you may do the same jumps and tunnels more than once. The course is numbered, and you do it sequentially. There is a penalty for taking the wrong obstacle. Vickie, I think she means running a course, not setting a course out. Oh ok, so they will tell me what obstacles i need to do by numbering them and I just need to do them as quickly and accurately as possible. Ok that makes sense! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I suggest you go to the next comp in your area and have a look You can also volunteer at a comp as a steward or scribe and learn heaps in the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Some types of comps will let you walk the course (handlers only, no dogs, so you can see where the course goes, and know where to direct the dog) even if you don't have a dog entered, so you can see what a course generally looks like, and where it goes, and what sort of handling you need to be able to do. I know ADAC and ADAA allow this, I don't think ANKC does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 ANKC allows walking of a course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidii Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 ANKC allows walking of a course I think walking the course is almost as important as running it . I would be very surprised if you were not allowed to walk the course. I usually walk the course 3-4 times. 1st time to just see how it flows 2nd time to see all the straight lines the dog should see (so I pretend I am a dog lol) 3rd time to decide where to put my front/rear crosses 4th time I run it as fast as I would with my dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) Thanks, wasn't sure if you could walk the course if you weren't entered (thought I read in the rules you had to be entered? but maybe I didn't read properly) ETA: Just checked the rules and it states that you can only walk the course if you are entered in that class unless you get permission from the judge. Edited March 5, 2009 by Kavik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thanks, wasn't sure if you could walk the course if you weren't entered (thought I read in the rules you had to be entered? but maybe I didn't read properly) I think if you don't get in anybody's way you should be able to walk it . My OH walks them with me although he never competes My instructors always encourage me to walk harder courses just to get a feel about what's ahead of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole... Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Heidii - there is an agility games trial on April 4 and an agility/jumpers trial on April 25 at the Gold Coast Dog Obedience Training Club at Southport. You can perhaps pop in there for a sticky beak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidii Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thanks Mntgood! Will def come down and check it out I want to enter my first trial on the 31st May cos my club has a breed competition. Do you guys think its asking to much for the 31st May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thanks Mntgood! Will def come down and check it outI want to enter my first trial on the 31st May cos my club has a breed competition. Do you guys think its asking to much for the 31st May? I am not sure how long you have been training for. I trained Midge for a year and Laffi for a year and a half before we entered our first comps. Can your dog sequence now? How many obstacles in a sequence can he do? What class are you in now? I was told once that it's time to start competing if your dog can run much more advanced courses than the ones at beginner's level. There is a lot of truth in it. A course of 20 obstacles without rewarding during the course is hard for a dog that is used to run 3-4 obstacles. They can get discouraged easily and loose all the motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 totally agree with Laffi (again ) You want the dog to be pretty competent at their obstacles and sequences before you put them in a trial environment as this will give you the best chance of success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidii Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 (edited) Thanks Mntgood! Will def come down and check it outI want to enter my first trial on the 31st May cos my club has a breed competition. Do you guys think its asking to much for the 31st May? I am not sure how long you have been training for. I trained Midge for a year and Laffi for a year and a half before we entered our first comps. Can your dog sequence now? How many obstacles in a sequence can he do? What class are you in now? I was told once that it's time to start competing if your dog can run much more advanced courses than the ones at beginner's level. There is a lot of truth in it. A course of 20 obstacles without rewarding during the course is hard for a dog that is used to run 3-4 obstacles. They can get discouraged easily and loose all the motivation. He has done 8 obstacles at once but that was back when he was 10 months old (naughty I know)....He is now 19 months old. This can be seen here: The only obstacles he needs to learn is the A-frame and Dog Walk. His weaves could be alot better but i would like to retrain that using the 2x2 method. That would all need to be taught in the next 3 months... I am in beginners 2 class.... They Have Beginners, then Beginners 2 and then starters. All we have sequenced in the class is 5 jumps in a row which he aced...I am sure though he can do alot more than this and my instructor even said after being in this class for one week that I could go up a class again. Maybe I will speak to my instructor and see what she says. Edited March 6, 2009 by Heidii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 I think the vids are great! He is fast and eager. I am not sure how is your club structured. I would suggest you finish a handling class before you sign up for any comp. Since it's an ADAA club, I would suggest finishing the starters class before competing. To be honest agility is not about knowing how to execute each obstacle (this is should be taken for granted), agility is more about handling between the obstacles. Does he know front and rear crosses? Do you know how to execute them? On the 2nd vid you are executing a cross but it's a blind cross (you turn your back to the dog, which is not recommended). In the class, when you said there were 5 jumps, are they in a straight line or is it a GD box? If you are able to practice the GD then it's great and you should give it a go at least for the jumping class (without the contacts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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