Just Midol Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Can you have a toy on you? Visible to the dog but not being used till after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 er NO definitely not. That would make life way too easy! No food no toys no double signals....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Midol Posted February 28, 2009 Author Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) They allow check chains though? Edited February 28, 2009 by Just Midol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeak Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Yes, they allow check chains, however they do NOT allow physical corrections to be used in the ring. I have seen a team dismissed from the ring when the owner corrected the dog... they were in the ring for less than 2 minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 The 2 rings of the chain have to stay together during the test. So no corrections and no pulling by accident either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Midol Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Yes, but dogs become collar smart very quickly - it's much easier to teach the dog it only has to behave with the collar on than it is to train the dog properly. I'm willing to bet that the majority of those who use chains on their dogs couldn't perform the obedience excersizes very well if they were forced to take the chain off and throw a flat on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Midol - in agility you often have to run the dog nude - with no collar on - no getting collar smart there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Midol Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Ohhhh, that's nice. I'm considering getting some agility equipment and seeing how Gizmo goes at it. He loves running, but I'm not sure if he'd enjoy jumping and walking on seesaws and such but I'll try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Midol after CCD (the first level) you are heeling etc off lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Midol Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Yeah but if the chain doesn't mean anything why have it on the dog? If you're not allowed a positive, a toy, then you shouldn't be allowed something assosciated with corrections either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Tradition I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Midol Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 Guess so. Doesn't really bother me, when I get the desire to do obedience I'll do it regardless but it makes it far easier for me if I can leave a check on them. (desire means when I feel my dogs wont embarass me ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natsu chan Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Actually I think the rule for having a collar on when trialling is due to safety more than anything. If a dog gets a fright or for some reason does a bolt as I have seen happen (very wet day, handler slipped fell almost on top of the dog who panicked and bolted) then it's much harder to grab the dog if it's collarless. It doesn't happen often but it does happen and especially given the proximity to roads at some venues there is always a chance the dog could get on to the road at least if they have a collar on there's something to get hold of if this happens. There's also the issue of dogs breaking out of stays especially out of sight stays where a judge or steward may need to hang on to a dog. Never mind the problems that might occur if say a dog fight broke out during the stays and the dogs where all nude. While none of those things might happen they could, better to have something way to control a dog if need be than none. Also you don't have to use a check and I as do others often train our dogs nude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Midol Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 I've got no problem with collars, I just have a problem with the check chain. I use check chains but imo, in competition, they should be off the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdude Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I think many people would agree with you midol, I think most people that use them in a trial just do so either out of habit, or because its just what they wear when they are normally out and about. I personally have never known anyone to use one in a trial because they thought it would make a difference to their chances. I think that the reason that they have allowed them is because the majority of clubs in the past have always trained their dogs in them, and also the extra control if things go belly up, as others have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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