tlc Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Are you plannning on goin got the show to look TLC Nope, but I know a few of the dogs entered and would love to see how they go in the flesh. If it was in Warrnambool I might be tempted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 The warrnambool dogs shows are in warrnambool, across from the show grounds Alot of DOLers come down, its great to met and catch up with some. lots of great well breed dogs too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlc Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Yeah I love all of JJ dogs esp Tarni think I might steal her.... Yes she is so so so cute, she wasnt impressed on Sunday, she cryed and barked and wasnt happy at all for the first part of the walk, she was trying to tell JJ she was hungry she settled down on the way back though!! I loved the pic of Tez carrying her. Also a bit out of sorts cause they were one short without Amy, My lot are like that to they always act differently when they are not all together!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlc Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Yes I have seen the show there, the last one my auntie took my nan to and they were amazed at the poodles especially with thier fancy hair cuts!! There wouldn't be any point showing them if they weren't well bred I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim & Tanya Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 The breed standard for the mastiff says 80 kilos, I hope they are not trying ot breed them big, like some did to the rottweiler, imagine the extra stress on jionts that are just not meant to have it and the extra health problems... Not sure where you getting the 80kg from, is that what happened to your Tyson dog?... The Mastiff Size Exercise Requirements Grooming Requirements Weight 80 + Kg (approx) Life Span 8 - 10 Years (approx) Copyright © Information : Mastiff Club of Victoria Inc (MCOV). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojath Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Just quickly, I believe the Warrnambool Kennel & Obedience dog club & Harris street training club (WDTC) USED to be one and the same. Now the WKOC is just a club to host annual shows & obed trials. They host an Open Show (No Championship points awarded) and a Championship Show each year. Attracts exhibitors (like any Champ show) from all over vic and many from SA. No. A desexed dog/bitch can NOT be shown. Some 'specialty' shows (for example the vizsla club show, for vizslas only) have a desexed 'class' but it is a "novelty" class - a winner of that can NOT receive any CH points or compete/be awarded any other award in show. To be entered the dog MUST be on the MAIN register of any states controlling K9 body (eg DogsVic) and the owner & handlers MUST be financial members of A state controlling body. Thanks tlc - didn't know you'd seen my website. It's VERY out of date now but if anyone's interested: www.jerojathkennels.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlc Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Ah JJ, you know a lot about a lot I was curious about the two clubs and that all makes sense, it was Laura (roxley on DOL) who bought it to my attention and I didnt have a clue!! I can let her know, if she hasnt read it here first! Thanks for the info. Laura bought Pickles into Bunnings this arvo, and he was just his normal self when he seen the others that woork there and then when he seen me his whole demeanour (sp) changed he definattly knew who I was, very clever little doggie!! He was so cute and I couldnt pat him as he had his working jacket on, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Tyson was a mutt, so it doesnt matter what breed standards are applied to him. To say oh he is/was half rotti half what ever jumped the fence, does not make it ok to compare him to either breed, he was a crossbreed, half his litter dumped at the rspca, half sold or given away. I saw the 80+ kilos, but over 100 kilos, thats alot, one would think that the breed should be close to the standard not so far over it, I wonder how common this is, off to research. There was a group breeding rottis as bigger is better, colossal rottweilers I think they were if you want to google, not that they were registered or papered, just mutts, they were trying to flog off as rottis, didnt met breed standards and were ugly as sin In breeds like rotties and mastiff ect, you dont want big heavy dogs on joints that arent made for that weight, the breeds have hip dysplaxia and other problems, I get very concerned when I see people wanting bigger is better dogs, especialy people breeding dogs outside the standard to the unsuspecting public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 oops sorry JJ, thanks for clearing up the difference, I didnt realise the one club had split into two clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojath Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) Add. A breed standard is like a blue-print of what the breed should be and breeders try to breed as closely to this standard as they can. This is what gives EVERY breed its distinguishing features and is what makes a vizsla a vizsla, a pug a pug or whatever. Unfortunately, it is fact that 'bigger' dogs win more (so long as they are quality in every OTHER aspect) because they are more eye-catching and have a strong "ring presence". So, BIG dogs get bred to BIG bitches and generations later we have BIG progeny! This has been an issue in my breed for many years - vizslas exceeding the standard for height and have been known to be among the tallest in the gundog ring when they are supposed to be a medium gundog. Our standard refers to the breed in every aspect as MEDIUM & MODERATE etc. Say there are 10 vizslas in the ring, all of equal quality and similar in 'type'. 9 of these exceed the standard for height and one does not. Rightfully, that ONE dog should win, but looks so out of place and different being the minority numerically, he stands little chance. And so the downward spiral continues; people want to use the services of the WINNING dog and want a pup from the WINNING bitch etc and so it goes on.... While some breeds standards include excessive height/weight as disqualifying faults, many do not, so a judge says: "Well, he is a 'little' tall, but I like him the best" and places him up. I have had to compete with this mentality for many years, not to say my dogs are perfect examples of the breed, but I try hard to breed MEDIM dogs and often they are on the lower end of the height requirements, still within limits, but on the smaller side. Hard to compete with those BIG oversized dogs that also have quality (besides their height!!!) when they have become the majority. Geez - I think maybe I needed to get that off my chest!!! ***Must add that this is not a comment relating to Bruno or any others, as I wont comment on any breed I do not know a lot about! *** Edited August 17, 2009 by jerojath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojath Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Pandii - in relation to what you are talking about, Colossal Rottweilers etc, there is a big 'trend' in the US to beed absolutely HUGE in some breeds and MINISCULE in other breeds. They do promote these as bigger is better and the same for the little ones. Some knobs think its cool or tough to have a HUGE example of a breed or special to have a "tea-cup" variety of another breed! What they dont understand is the implications on the health of these dogs through such drastic *selective* breeding! A classic example is the "Miniature Dalmatian" (Go on, Google it!!!) These people pay HUGE sums of money to what is essentialy a 'puppy farm' for what is, at the end of the day, a shit poor quality Dalmatian! I say if you want a small short haired breed buy a Dachshund. If you want a Dalmatian BUY a Dalmatian!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim & Tanya Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Wow JJ you are so full of knowledge... Wish I could have that much info in my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I agree JJ, great post, Breeding dogs bigger, or smaller, slipped my mind about the teacups, is not what great breeding is about. The breed standards are just that, standards for the breed, breeding bigger/smaller for consumers is not right. I realise Judges to pick the dog/bitch with the more substance, which isnt right either. Alot goes into selecting a show prospect dog/bitch, though not just height, colour is another one judges seem to need to look past, just because they are USED to seeing certain colours, doesnt mean a great dog of a different colour, that still is within the breed standard, shouldnt get a look in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley James Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Hi all Just a short post, hope everyone is great!!!!!!! Anyone off to the shows this weekend and next weekend?????????????????????????????????? This weekend is Horsham and the following is Hamilton should be a great catchup I am looking forward to it :) Hey Pandii can you let me know where the flyball is??????? I wanted to do it with Sniff but they told me at harris street that they not doing it anymore (for the last few years) because it takes away from there agility. So it must be else where that I dont know about I am sure sniff would love it, and maybe even Boof when he is older and is allowed to jump )but that is a fair way off yet) So it would be great to get a heads up to where it is Cheers Janet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlc Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Hey RJ, I dont think there is any flyball in town, gee Im gonna be pissed at myself if there is, I thought I did all my homework when I realized how ball obsessed Tully was at an early age, as I thought if I found local fly ball she could start around 12 months, she is now 2, but still ball obsessed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlc Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Has anyone tried eagle boys yet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojath Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 Has anyone tried eagle boys yet?? Are you talking about eagle boys pizza? If so, I didnt know they were in Vic. They are big in WA. They are pretty ordinary - not unlike Dominos. Very 'processed'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlc Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Ah Yes, its not just me then!! They have opened a shop in Timor street where pizza haven used to be, we had one tonight and yes they are very processed like haven, pinkys, dominoes and the likes. BUT thier dessert thingys are YUMMY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojath Posted August 18, 2009 Author Share Posted August 18, 2009 I was wondering how long Pizza Haven would be in town - Can't believe they lasted so long! Crap pizzas and I NEVER saw anyone in the shop! Eagle Boys are better........................ just! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlc Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Hey JJ, have you heard how Amy is going? Hope all is well, poor baby away from home. Do you go get her soon? Is it an option for you to have the stud instead of sending the bitch away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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