JulesP Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Working with Poppy on nose touches. I taught her to touch as a little puppy so she has a good grasp of it. She is very enthusiastic though! I get the nose and both paws and it is a real pounce on the target! Very different from her brother's super gentle, polite touch! I don't want to curb the enthusiasm but is this going to be a problem?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildatHeart Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I have no idea. But i have a problem too, i'm trying to increase the time she 'touches' by not clicking straight away (i have very minutely delayed the click) but she doens't get it, she tries different things like pawing, biting, licking etc. Then she just gets bored and won't do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBailey Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 From what I have heard the last few days from Laura and Greg Derrett is repeated nose touch. I looked at some of their runs on youtube and it looks like a bobble head dog. Touch, touch, touch, treat, touch, treat,touch, touch, treat. Release. Thts my interpretation anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 From what I have heard the last few days from Laura and Greg Derrett is repeated nose touch. I looked at some of their runs on youtube and it looks like a bobble head dog. Touch, touch, touch, treat, touch, treat,touch, touch, treat. Release. Thts my interpretation anyway Yes, this is also what Susan Garrett teaches. It's a very clear criteria for the dog I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Why the bobbing as a matter of curiosity and not just one sustained nose touch??? How does one teach bobbing compared with duration on the nose touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Why the bobbing as a matter of curiosity and not just one sustained nose touch??? How does one teach bobbing compared with duration on the nose touch. I think it's much harder to teach the dog to hold the nose on a target for a long time as opposed to keep on touching the target. When you clicker train this you are more likely get more touches rather than longer ones when you are shaping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hmmm I tried shaping Ness and got duration rather than bobbing. Not tried with Kenzie yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I have gotten Kaos to do nose touches for contact behavour and found multiple touches (which results in bobbing) to be easier, if I up criteria, Kaos will touch it again. I have not been able to build duration as easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hmmm I tried shaping Ness and got duration rather than bobbing. Not tried with Kenzie yet. Yes I shaped it too, I know it can be done. I just don't think it's as easy as the multiple touches so I decided to stick to these. I have gotten Kaos to do nose touches for contact behavour and found multiple touches (which results in bobbing) to be easier, if I up criteria, Kaos will touch it again. I have not been able to build duration as easily. I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Think the theory behind lots of nose touches is that you can 'pay' the dog alot. It is an opportunity to give the dog lots of treats. It was a super hot day though and I was feeling a bit out of it by then!! They are also looking for the dog's weight to be transferred backwards and a long touch may bring the weight forwards. This is a safety thing. For a longer nose touch I would still be clicking straight away but maybe only paying the dog for the longer touches. I get lots of touches and lots of pounces . I was too scared to ask at the clinic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The pouncing sounds funny - have you got a video of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBen Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Think the theory behind lots of nose touches is that you can 'pay' the dog alot. It is an opportunity to give the dog lots of treats. It was a super hot day though and I was feeling a bit out of it by then!! They are also looking for the dog's weight to be transferred backwards and a long touch may bring the weight forwards. This is a safety thing. For a longer nose touch I would still be clicking straight away but maybe only paying the dog for the longer touches. I get lots of touches and lots of pounces . I was too scared to ask at the clinic! Just on the highlighted sentence... IMO, if you click, you pay... This is the rule the animal has learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bordacollies4me Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hey JulesP my young girl did this, she found it self rewarding to launch with nose then paws or paws and nose... got me very frustrated... so i didn't do it for a while, then one day stuck in horrific traffic, she was travelling in the front of the ute, i decided to play nose touch games, as one does stuck in traffic and always has treats and clicker handy ... anyway, the more confined space didn;t allow her to launch, so i got beautiful nose touches... i then just didn't accept the lauch/pounce, if i asked for a touch and got the paws, i would move my hand away very quickly, then re present took a little bit , but she finally worked it out and has good nose touches... and Big Ben.. yes you are right that if you click you should pay, but if you click the wrong thing i wouldn't pay it, but would ask for an alternate behaviour before rewarding, without clicking the alternate behaviour... and we must remember to Click for Action, Reward for Position, dog should not quit the behaviour once it is clicked, they should maintain poisition for the reward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 I don't do the pay every time you click. But I am not going to get into that again. I don't actually use a clicker for nose touching. Interestingly neither do the Derretts. Once Poppy is standing on a slope/step she isn't using her paws so I will just move to that phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitka Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 This might be a silly novice question, but with teaching the touchs with agility in mind should you only be focusing on the nose touch or both a nose and paw touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Most people do a nose touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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