Staff'n'Toller Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Thanks Erny I don't mind paying for my dogs but after reading this thread and recalling some prices in another thread from a while ago I realised he seems to be a bit overpriced. Will call some local vets tomorrow. He didn't seem keen on doing the testing and prefers to vaccinate but I honestly feel we are over vaccinating our animals and damaging their immune system so would rather test than vaccinate at this stage. Our club is also now going to start looking at accepting the testing as their are a few of us wanting to go down this path so when we start back hopefully they will have voted with a positive outcome. My doggies are always up for a road trip :p we love having day trips and going places so may look at doing this and getting the tests done where they seem a bit more reasonable. If you are happy to come to the 'other side' of town I work in Doncaster and am happy to organise it to be sent to WA through Gribbles. I would have to get you the correct price though, I did mine the more expensive way to the US and didn't get hepatitis done b/c I didn't realise Gribbles were doing it at that time. Cheers, Mel. Edited January 11, 2009 by Staff'n'Toller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 People should also make themselves aware of the wording in the animal act for boarding establishments.Whilst many say kennels should we are bound by govt law regs to run these establishments which have a COE that we must follow. True, Settrlvr. But are the kennels approaching the kennel authority to review and perhaps amend the CoE to keep up with the latest? Well at present there is alot of unknown .PIAA are trying to get a national thing with the RSPCA. Most are very much against this because there list of what they want doesnt meet each states local council regs nor meet each state or areas needs. Mos tof the boarding orgs have certainly had meetings etc etc but when it comes to the fine line of who will agree to what they all tend to say "i dont now where you would stand" so it really gets confusing when no one when push comes to shove will back up what the say. Getting the govt law to change the animal act isnt easy because they too need to have something in black/white to meet the animal husbandry act. Yes alot of kennels accept titre & it really is at there own risk & it only takes one bad apple to complain & who you know what happens,the poor kennel owner pays the price. The problem is owners dont understand vaccs as it is.If you polled most they are under the belief that a dog vacc is covered & will never get any disease whether that be parvo,tetanus of canine cough . Most kennel owners have bore the brunt of a dog owner whose dog has got canine cough in there care & been threatened with being sued,reported & the list goes on.Most in a small number of cases wont accept there dog is the carrier or that dogs actually carry the virus for well over half the year before it shows symptons & this is why the canine cough is actually only good if done 6 monthly. There was specialist in this field from europe who did a talk & was very interesting for kennel owners . in the QLD COE for the boarding kennel assoc i think it states that vacc must be done 6 monthly but i could be wrong. It really is a tricky area. So many vets are slack as it is with vacc cards.alot dont put the serial sticker on the card ,in some cases we are picking up vaccs used that are already expired which is what this label tells use plus batch number etc if theres an issue. Many dont even clearly state what has been used. It really is frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Well at present there is alot of unknown .PIAA are trying to get a national thing with the RSPCA. What's the "COE" of kennel practice got to do with PIAA, the RSPCA and it being "National"? Are you saying the Kennel Council (or whatever the Kennel "Authority" is) is run by PIAA and/or RSPCA? OT ... but on the "national" issue, I have grave concerns about our laws all being "national", particularly when it means that if the RSPCA chose to bring in a law it will be an easy swipe of the decks for it to affect us Australia wide, and mighty hard to change the wrongs that get passed into legislation. I don't think there's a great deal to question ..... titre test either reveals the presence of immunity or it doesn't. If it doesn't then they can insist on vaccination (even though I believe a 'zero' result doesn't mean no immunity, but that's a different story). Why do they think this is so hard to factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) What's the "COE" of kennel practice got to do with PIAA, the RSPCA and it being "National"? Are you saying the Kennel Council (or whatever the Kennel "Authority" is) is run by PIAA and/or RSPCA] They are trying to promote a national COE for boarding kennels aussie wide. The kennel council has nothing to do with it. Kennels are bound by the animal act & there state local council .For example in WA each council has different regs on kennel buildings ,how many dogs per run etc etc. If PIAA get what they want then it will affect the industry dramatically & yes there should be grave concerns The vaccs is a personal choice but the animal welfare act does have a section for kennels etc etc which outlines the practises kennels should use. Many are heading down the titre road BUT as you said . titre test either reveals the presence of immunity or it doesn't. If it doesn't then they can insist on vaccination (even though I believe a 'zero' result doesn't mean no immunity, but that's a different story There is one of the issue,do you test yearly,before boarding etc etc many questions that some wont give a definate answer & sadly living a world where people sue at a drop off the hat one has to be very sure of where they stand Edited January 11, 2009 by settrlvr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest belgian.blue Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I'm going to jump in with a question .. Ivy has had upto her 16 week vacc, C3 [?] with no KC. I'd much rather get her titre tested than vacc when she's next due .. so would they be able to do it to a 12 month old dog? I'm guessing she would be next due at 12 months, not checked her card for dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I believe most get there 12-15 month booster & then test after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I'm going to jump in with a question ..Ivy has had upto her 16 week vacc, C3 [?] with no KC. I'd much rather get her titre tested than vacc when she's next due .. so would they be able to do it to a 12 month old dog? I'm guessing she would be next due at 12 months, not checked her card for dates. I was advised to get Callista's 12mnth booster (around 20mnths old) and to titer test after that instead of an annual vaccination. My vet advises to titer test on an annual basis, as she has seen cases where a dogs levels have dropped. It's been a little while since we had a chat about it, but I think (someone correct me if wrong) that the titer results must come back higher than 20 to be able to say the dog has immunity. If it is lower than that a new vacc must be given. My vet is a member of the Australian Small Animal Veterinary Association, which belongs to part of an international group, and really advocates the titer test or 3yr vacc, with a yearly health check. I've posted this link before, but it is a pretty interesting read on where the WSAVA would like to see vacc's in the near future.... WSAVA paper settrlvr - sorry if my comment on kennels was incorrect, it was just what my vet told me... and maybe she did mean it more in a 'if I explain the titer process they maybe more inclined to accept it' way, than a they must accept it way. Plus one of my dogs has CRF and the other a nerve condition... so yearly vaccs are better avoided for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 settrlvr - sorry if my comment on kennels was incorrect, hey no probs but this is the problem vets say one thing,its all very scary. The biggest problem we have come across is most clients(very small majority) who dont vacc dont want to titre test either. As far as there concerned there vet has told them they dont need a yearly booster but the vets also arent telling them that they should be titre testing to ensure coverage is there. When you explain we often take the brunt as they want to board asap & we cant take them with nothing some vets quote a price most refuse to pay it so nothing gets done.The price is evidient buy the DOLERS posting here so much variation A number of vets are using the 3 yrly option but surprisingly very few mark the cards correctly so we again have come across confused owners as to what there dog has had. We inform our clients of what the vets(surgery) responsibility is & the greater majority go back & ask there vet whats the deal & things are sorted & it gives the surgery a wake up call. I think most boarding kennels would have a good list of vets which are serial offenders in the "not doing it right area" The cards are getting smaller & more fancier so some claim that info doesnt fit .Thast there prob not those paying the bill who are entitled to The problem is your dog may not react there but could in the next few days & that label is so important. Hopefully with time things will be sorted so everyone knows where they stand . We like many kennels board dogs who have had luekemia,cancer & all sorts of nasties where you have to work with the client,vet as to the dogs status & the current vacc status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) The kennel council has nothing to do with it. Sorry .... by "kennel council" I wasn't meaning ANKC. I was meaning whatever the authority it is that governs the rules (read CoE) of kennel operators. Kennels are bound by the animal act & there state local council .For example in WA each council has different regs on kennel buildings ,how many dogs per run etc etc.If PIAA get what they want then it will affect the industry dramatically & yes there should be grave concerns Why are PIAA and RSPCA poking their noses in? Are there issues with some kennels over-loading a kennel run with dogs? Is that why RSPCA and PIAA want a 'say' in the business of kennel operations? There is one of the issue,do you test yearly,before boarding etc etc many questions that some wont give a definate answer & sadly living a world where people sue at a drop off the hat one has to be very sure of where they stand By the above, are you saying that (as one of the issues) there's a grey area as to how 'recent' the titre test needs to be prior to boarding for it to count as sufficient? Edited January 11, 2009 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tara and Sam Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I am also wondering about what to do with my 2 dogs as they are nearing the dates for the injection they have had C4 yearly for the last 11 yrs since pups last year ( new vets ) gave them C5 , without asking us first , they told us after that it was C 5 after reading threads here I am not sure I really want them again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loraine Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 I am also wondering about what to do with my 2 dogs as they are nearing the dates for the injection they have had C4 yearly for the last 11 yrs since pups last year ( new vets ) gave them C5 , without asking us first , they told us after that it was C 5 after reading threads here I am not sure I really want them again My boy had previously had C4's and this year they just wanted to do a C5 Yay we are having titre's done next week. This titre will just be for parvo, distemper (not K cough), but the receptionist mentioned that something else could be tested for if we send the bloods to Scotland. She was very vague, so I will actually check with the vet when I see her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 last year ( new vets ) gave them C5 , without asking us first , they told us after that it was C 5 Yes - it was only that I specifically said I only wanted C3, otherwise my Vet was about to administer a C5 as pup's 2nd vaccination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claireybell Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 When I spoke with my vet they told me that the cost of a titre test is $220 I then rang around and the average price for my area was $220-$240. Each vet told me the same thing, that all the test had to go to a lab in WA as this was the only one in Australia. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 When I spoke with my vet they told me that the cost of a titre test is $220 I then rang around and the average price for my area was $220-$240. Each vet told me the same thing, that all the test had to go to a lab in WA as this was the only one in Australia.Is this correct? What disease immunity is your Vet testing for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claireybell Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 They said parvo, distemper and hep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'm now doubting my memory. I thought the general cost of titre testing was $90 - $150.00 for at least TWO of the aforesaid diseases, but not sure if it was for all three. That might be where the extra $$$ comes into it though. Although it still seems a bit steep to me. I will be doing a titre following my boy's 15 month booster vax, so I haven't had one done to know the cost for myself. Others have had it done though so I'm sure they'll be able to tell you their cost and whether it covered the 3 diseases or just the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daxilly Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) I know when I got mine done it was around $100 but that was only for distemper and parvo. The hep. testing needs to be sent overseas (USA or UK) for testing so that is probably where the additional cost comes in. This was a year ago so things may have changed, but I am about to get my two tested again so will let you know I decided not to get the hep done as I was told that hepatitis in dogs was uncommon and the logic was if the other results were OK then the hepatitis would be too. My two do not board or have much contact with other dogs, so I decided it was worth the risk. I suppose it is all about managing the risk and deciding if the benefits outweigh the cost. Cheers Edited January 15, 2009 by Daxilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loraine Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 I know when I got mine done it was around $100 but that was only for distemper and parvo. The hep. testing needs to be sent overseas (USA or UK) for testing so that is probably where the additional cost comes in. This was a year ago so things may have changed, but I am about to get my two tested again so will let you knowI decided not to get the hep done as I was told that hepatitis in dogs was uncommon and the logic was if the other results were OK then the hepatitis would be too. My two do not board or have much contact with other dogs, so I decided it was worth the risk. I suppose it is all about managing the risk and deciding if the benefits outweigh the cost. Cheers The cost for my titre will be $118.00, just for parvo and distemper. If I want hep then the blood has to be send to Scotland, so I don't think we will test for that as it is not really a huge issue in dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chezzyr Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Can 'all' Vets titer test (if a client wants it)? I am taking my girl to the Vet late this arvo for something else and while there I want to ask about tt. She has had a couple C5s in her life, the last one I let lapse as I am concerned about unnecessary over vaccination. Also wondering what kind of price we can expect to pay, and which vets might readily do it in the Melbourne eastern suburbs? (going by the number of C5 reminder cards we received in the post I am guessing this Vet hasn't really started promoting tt LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chezzyr Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 bumping - anyone? Off to the Vets in 30 mins. May not get the vacc done today but would have been nice to have some info to go with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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