anthony mazzeri Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 (edited) The other thread I posted listing kibble by main ingredients-only didn't give a full picture, ie whether there is grain in the minor ingredients etc, so here's the full ingredient list for premium kibbles. Foods with corn or other vegetable as their main ingredient (PEDIGREE AND HILL'S) simply don't make this list. This list is divided into two - high protein/fat kibbles and standard protein/fat kibbles. FIRST, WHAT INGREDIENT DOES WHAT: PROTEIN Dehydrated chicken is highest biological value protein (nutrient amino acids) - hydrolysed -> protein peptides -> easier digested Glutens are plant-based proteins (used as fillers) Fish meal *may* be preserved with Ethoxyquin, a known carcinogen Meal - here's an explanation from Natura INNOVA's site: Chicken meal is the dry rendered (cooked down) product from a combination of clean flesh and skin with or without accompanying bone, derived from the parts of whole carcasses of chicken -- exclusive of feathers, heads, feet, or entrails.Chicken meal is considered to be the single best source of protein in commercial pet foods. Natura uses high-quality, low ash chicken meal extensively. This ingredient is very digestible, very palatable, and very expensive. CARBOHYDRATES - all other plant ingredients are carbohydrate -> starch (sugar/energy) and fibre (help digestability) Starch Pearled Barley - Excellent source of carbohydrates Ground Rice - Excellent source of carbohydrates Ground Corn/Maize - Good source of carbohydrates - may cause skin allergies Ground Wheat - Good source of carbohydrates - may cause skin allergies Rice Flour - Good source of carbohydrates Wheat Flour - Good source of carbohydrates - may cause skin allergies Corn/Maize Flour - Good source of carbohydrates - may cause skin allergies Fibre Dried beet pulp - may cause skin allergies and/or ear infections Rice bran Wheat bran - may cause skin allergies FATS GOOD -> Unsaturated BAD -> Saturated PRESERVATIVES preservatives are considered to be agents that prevent fat from becoming rancid, ie prevent oxidation -> antioxidants __________________________________ THE LIST: HIGH PROTEIN (28-42%) & FAT (17-22%) KIBBLES INNOVA EVO *NO GRAIN* Crude Protein (min) 42 % Crude Fat (min) 22 % Crude Fiber (max) 2.5 % Moisture (max) 10 % Omega-6 (min) 4.2 % Carbohydrates(max) 12 % Turkey, Chicken, Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Potatoes, Herring Meal, Chicken Fat, Natural Flavors, Egg, Apples, Tomatoes, Potassium Chloride, Carrots, Vitamins, Garlic, Cottage Cheese, Minerals, Alfalfa Sprouts, Ascorbic Acid, Dried Chicory Root, Direct-Fed Microbials, Vitamin E Supplement, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract ARTEMIS MAXIMAL *NO GRAIN* Crude Protein. min 42% Crude Fat, min 22% Crude Fibre, max 3% Moisture, max 10% Chicken Meal, Potatoes,Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols),Chicken, Natural Chicken Flavor, Tomato Pomace, Choline Chloride, Dried Chicory Root, Kelp, Carrots, Peas, Apples, Tomatoes, Blueberries, Spinach, Dried Skim Milk, Cranberry Powder, Rosemary Extract, Parsley Flake, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Green Tea Extract, Barley Grass Extract, L-Carnitine, Enterococcus Faecieum, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Saccharomyces Cerevesiae Fermentation Solubles, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Protinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate,Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Vitamin D Supplement, Folic Acid. ROYAL CANIN Medium breed - Junior Puppy 15kg ($90-$100) Protein: 32.0% Fat: 20.0% Fibre: 2.5% Moisture: 9.0% Ash: 6.3% Dehydrated poultry meat, animal fats, wheat flour, maize(corn) flour, maize(corn), beet pulp, wheat, hydrolysed animal proteins, vegetable protein isolate, maize(corn) gluten, minerals, fish oil, yeasts, soya oil, fructo-oligo-saccharides, yeast extract (source of manno-oligo-saccharides), DL-methionine, egg powder, tourine, marigold extract (source of lutein). NUTRIENCE Crude protein min. 28.0 % Crude fat min. 17.0 % Crude fiber max. 3.5 % Moisture max. 10.0 % Ash max. 9.0 % Chicken meal, brewers rice, ground corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), hydrolysed chicken, dried beet pulp, dried egg product, yeast culture, chicken flavor, dicalcium phosphate, salt, potassium chloride, calcium propionate (preservative), citric acid, fumaric acid, malic acid, lactic acid, DL-methionine, yeast extract, marigold extract, dried kelp, dried carob, dried fennel, dried ginger, dried fenugreek, dried rosemary, dried turmeric, dried cayenne, rosemary extract, yucca schidigera extract, ascorbic acid (vitamin C), iron proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc methionine complex, zinc oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin E supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, folic acid, niacin, calcium pantothenate, vitamin A acetate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, vitamin D3 supplement. EAGLE PACK Super Premium Small/Medium Puppy 15kg ($85) Crude Protein min. 28.0% Crude Fat min. 17.0% Crude Fiber max. 3.5% Moisture max. 10.0% Phosphorus min. 1.0% Omega 6 min. 3.1%* Omega 3 min. 0.65%* Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Chicken Fat, Pork Meal, Oatmeal, Dried Beet Pulp, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Anchovy & Sardine Meals, Brewers Dried Yeast, Flaxseed, Wheat Germ Meal, Menhaden Fish Oil, Dried Egg Product, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Carrots, Peas, Inulin, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes Of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei, Enterococcus faecium, B. subtilus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae, and Aspergillus niger STANDARD PROTEIN (21-27%) & FAT (7-15%) KIBBLES INNOVA adult Crude Protein (min) 24 % Crude Fat (min) 14 % Crude Fiber (max) 2.5 % Moisture (max) 10 % Omega-6 (min) 2.5 % Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Barley, Brown Rice, Potatoes, Rice, Chicken Fat, Flaxseed, Herring, Natural Flavors, Apples, Carrots, Pumpkin, Egg, Sunflower Oil, Sea Salt, Potassium Chloride, Herring Oil, Cottage Cheese, Alfalfa Sprouts, Direct-Fed Microbials, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Vitamins/Minerals ARTEMIS Fresh Mix Medium / Large Breed Puppy Crude Protein. min 27% Crude Fat, min 13% Crude Fibre, max 3% Moisture, max 10% Chicken, Turkey, Chicken Meal, Salmon Meal, Pearled Barley, Whole Brown Rice, Oatmeal, Millet, Potatoes, Dried Egg, Tomato Pomace, Chicken Fat ( preserved with mixed tocopherols Salmon, Flaxseed,Natural Chicken Flavour, Salmon Oil ( A source of DHA) Choline Chloride,Dried Chicory root, Kelp, Carrots, Peas, Apples, Tomatoes, Blueberries, Spinach, Cranberry Powder, Rosemary Extract, Parsley Flake, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Green Tea Extract, Barley Grass Extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus Faecieum, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Saccharomyces Cerevesiae Fermentation Solubles, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Vitamin D Supplement, Folic Acid. DICK VAN PATTEN'S NATURAL BALANCE Ultra Premium Dog Food Crude Protein 23.0% Crude Fat 13.0% Crude Fibre 3.0% Moisture 10.0% Omega 3 Fatty Acids 0.5% Omega 6 Fatty Acids 3.0% Chicken, Brown Rice, Lamb Meal, Oatmeal, Barley, Duck Meal, Potatoes, Carrots, Chicken Fat (preserved with natural mixed tocopherols), Tomato Pomace, Natural Flavor, Canola Oil, Brewers Yeast, Salmon Meal, Salmon Oil, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Taurine, Spinach, Parsley Flakes, Cranberries, L-Lysine, L-Carnitine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Kelp, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid. CALIFORNIA NATURAL Chicken Meal & Rice Adult Crude Protein (min) 21 % Crude Fat (min) 11 % Crude Fiber (max) 1.5 % Moisture (max) 10 % Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Rice, Sunflower Oil, Flaxseed, Natural Flavors, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Vitamins, Minerals, Rosemary Extract EAGLE PACK Holistic Select Chicken Crude Protein min 24% Crude Fat min 15% Moisture max 10% Crude Fiber max 4.9% Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Oatmeal, Chicken Fat (Preserved With Natural Mixed Tocopherols), Pork Meal, Dried Beet Pulp, Anchovy, Sardine & Salmon Meals, Flaxseed, Dried Egg Product, Tomato Pomace, Menhaden Fish Oil, Carrots, Peas, Sun-Cured Alfalfa, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Quinoa (Organic), Blueberries, Apples, Inulin, Beta-Carotene, Cranberries, Dehydrated Kelp, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Yucca Schidigera Extract, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Lecithin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Polysaccharide Complexes of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Lactobacillus acidophilus Lactobacillus casei, Enterococcus faecium, B. subtillus, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae, and Aspergillus niger. NATURE'S GIFT Chicken & Rice *100% AUSTRALIAN* (contains sugar) Protein 25% Fat 7% Fibre (Max) 1.4% Ash 9.9% Moisture 20% Salt (NaCl) 3% Fresh Chicken, Australian Poultry Meals (contains no red meat), Whole Grain Wheat, Sucrose, Rice, Food Acid (338), Glycerine, Sea Salt, Canola Oil, Calcium, Chicory root (inulin), Flax Seed, Potassium Sorbate, Natural Colours, Natural Antioxidants (307), Beta Glucans, TGOS (oligosaccharide from corn starch), MOS (oligosaccharide from yeast), herbs, Added Vitamins & Minerals incl. Copper 10mg/kg, Vitamin A 8670iu/kg, Vitamin D 429iu/kg, Vitamin E 114iu/kg GREAT BARKO *100% AUSTRALIAN* Crude protein min. 22.0 % Crude fat min. 10.0 % Crude fiber max. 5 % meat by-products derived from beef, lamb, chicken, pork, cooked fish or fish by-products, fat, cooked cereals (wheat), wheaten bran, Canola and soy products derived from them. Lysine, methionine, antioxidant, bentonite, vitamins and minerals. Vitamins: A, D3, E, K, B1 (thiamine), B2 (riboflavin), B6 (pyridoxine), B12, niacin, pantothenate, folic acid and biotin. Minerals: Calcium, phosphorus, sodium, chloride, cobalt, copper, iodine, iron, manganese, selenium and zinc. UNCLE ALBERS *100% AUSTRALIAN* Crude protein min. 24.0 % Crude fat min. 12.0 % Crude fiber max. 5 % meat by-products derived from beef, lamb, poultry or pork. Cooked fish or fish by-products. Fat, cooked cereals (wheat) and wheaten bran. Products derived from canola and soyabeans. Lysine, methionine, antioxidant, bentonite, vitamins and minerals. Vitamins: A, D3, E, K, B1 (thiamine), B2 (riboflavin), B6 (pyridoxine), B12, niacin, pantothenate, folic acid and biotin. Minerals: Calcium, phosphorus, sodium, chloride, cobalt, copper, iodine, iron, manganese, selenium and zinc. Edited December 8, 2008 by anthony mazzeri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Thanks for going to the effort and posting all of that I feed California Natural to our Collies and they love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest belgian.blue Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Thanks for going to the effort and posting all of thatI feed California Natural to our Collies and they love it Which one do you use .. Chicken and rice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Thats excellent man! could you do a price check on the dog food brands too? and put it in your post. This should be made a sticky thread IMO Good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorRex Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Yep Belgian Blue- I feed the Chicken and Rice CN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeSpirit Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 What about pro plan? Any good compared to this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony mazzeri Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 Thats excellent man! could you do a price check on the dog food brands too? and put it in your post.This should be made a sticky thread IMO Good job I'll try. I was thinking probably best to do it as $ per kilo as they all have different sized bags. I can only go by prices on web sites they're sold through (if they are) though. I still need to add these to the list: OMNIPRO Puppy Formula PURINA PROPLAN Puppy Chicken and Rice ADVANCE Puppy Growth SUPERCOAT Puppy EUKANUBA Puppy Medium Growth Formula NATURAL BALANCE (NOT Dick Van Patten's) OPTIMUM There's also a PROPLAN SELECT now too. And Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Time Puppy Owner Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 This might help - I posted this in the Good Aussie Kibble Thread Approx Prices & Kgs & Per Kg & Per Dog Weight & Per Day - example being used 38 kg dog and what they suggest to feed if only dry, and a cup being 250grm approx. Advance - $98ish =15kgs = $6.53 per kilo = 4 cups = $6.53 a day Optimum - $34 = 8kgs = $4.25per kilo = 4 cups = $4.25 a day Hills SD - $95ish = 15kgs = $6.33 per kilo = 5 cups = $7.91 a day Nature's Gift - $19 = 4kgs = $4.75 per kilo = 4 cups = $4.75 a day Out of interest I did the same for Orijen Orijen - $120 = 13.6kgs = $8.82 per kilo = 3 cups = $6.61 a day - NOT AS BAD AS I THOUGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) Barko 22kg for $25.00 = $1.13 per KG calculate recommended daily feed 4 Great barko 1 metric cup = approximately 170g of great barko Toy- up to 5kg = up to 130g /0.75 cup per day small-5-13kg = 130-260g /0.75- 1.5 cups per day medium 13-26kg =260-525g /1.5- 3 cups per day large 26-40kg = 525-700g /3-4 cups per day giant 40kg + = 700 -1050g / 4-6 cups per day Very active dogs may require up to twice the normal amount and lactating bitches two to three times the normal amount. Edited December 8, 2008 by RebLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocolate Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Shouldn't Innova Evo have *NO GRAIN* next to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony mazzeri Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 Shouldn't Innova Evo have *NO GRAIN* next to it? Indeed it should. And now it does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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