RubyStar Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 Never fail Ruby - When Leo was 2-ish I re-taught his heelwork... I don't think I missed a trial by doing so (back then I wasn't trialling that much)... but it really is very quick to teach and wasn't hard to fade at all. I have never looked back since then and my friend who taught me everything (darn her for moving OS!) Does it work with someone who gets easily frustrated? Some days I wonder why I do all this when I get frustrated easy, but I love it when it goes right I've had no particular method in training what I have - Ruby's my first trained dog and I suppose in light of my lack of knowledge, we're doing pretty well! I just want to make it better and have a better foundation on training methods for my dogs in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Diesel can work that well too - but not in busy environments or trials So at the moment I am doing really short motivating sessions and end before he gets bored/stressed/distracted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Ruby - I am very much a newbie too as Leo is only my first dog. Oh if only I knew then what I know now That's what I love about training - it teaches us to not get frustrated at the dog, try and find a better way to make them suceed first Kavik - if he is stressed by those situations how about asking for something really easy instead of heeling - how about some hand touches, a game of tug, or performing some tricks?! I wouldn't do any heelwork unless you can see he's pretty relaxed as we don't want him worrying about his environment while heeling. One thing that I have found really works as well is doing some 'control unleashed' "Look at that" games... it allows the dog to take in the environment and actually builds up their focus on you as we are not asking them to 'block' everything out. I do plenty of work (can you tell I've had similar problems ) with walking along and heeling and jackpotting whenever we hit a spot that my distract her a little - ie: barking dogs/ dogs walking past etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I get distracted more than the dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 Ruby – it’s all about making the heeling ‘spot’ THE most rewarding place to be. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but the "Clicker World Obedience and World Obedience Clicker Clips Package by Kay Laurence" stuff will teach me how to achieve this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 He won't tug. Hand touches would work - he likes those He is starting to really like a squeaky on a rope, I'm trying to get him to like that in new places too. I'm also trying to get him to run to a toy or my treat bag for a reward, so we are doing some of that (sort of like send away stuff) so that eventually I can reward away from my body. I just get frustrated when he won't work as well away from his comfort zone as I know he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Never fail Ruby - When Leo was 2-ish I re-taught his heelwork... I don't think I missed a trial by doing so (back then I wasn't trialling that much)... but it really is very quick to teach and wasn't hard to fade at all. I have never looked back since then and my friend who taught me everything (darn her for moving OS!) Does it work with someone who gets easily frustrated? Some days I wonder why I do all this when I get frustrated easy, but I love it when it goes right I've had no particular method in training what I have - Ruby's my first trained dog and I suppose in light of my lack of knowledge, we're doing pretty well! I just want to make it better and have a better foundation on training methods for my dogs in the future! I highly recommend clicker training and super short sessions (so you can't get frustrated lol). Laffi (my super distracted sniffer GR has so far earned 3/4 passes for her 1st agility title so clicker training definitely working for us This year we are going to seriously start obedience training but I don't want to trial with her this year (I think she is too young to enjoy it). I will continue with agility that she loves and will only add tracking this year (as she is a natural). I get distracted more than the dog ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 I've used a clicker when training tricks (particularly when she was a puppy) and also used it to train nice walking on a leash for a few days when she was a pup in the backyard, but I've never used one for obedience heelwork. So yes perhaps this could be my answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I've used a clicker when training tricks (particularly when she was a puppy) and also used it to train nice walking on a leash for a few days when she was a pup in the backyard, but I've never used one for obedience heelwork. So yes perhaps this could be my answer! That's awesome!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke W Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I get distracted more than the dog I'm very food motivated. Toys? Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 I get distracted more than the dog I'm very food motivated. Toys? Meh I love my food AND my shiny new toys - I get easily distracted with those! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Ruby - yes, KL will definitely cover this Kavik - work with whatever brings him back down to his comfort zone and work on really simple stuff until then. I found something as simple as having miss K in a c-crate as opposed to a soft crate (so that she can see the world) helped he calm immensely as she was able to absorb the environment totally before even entering the ring. Definitely do things like walking around the area and rewarding for anything... I'd definitely recommend reading control unleashed too. I know *exactly* how you feel... many people have heard me whine about my girl not putting it together in the ring... but her main issue is the stressed handler :cool: I can vouche for Laffi and the wonderful work she has done with Laffi (the dog)! As for the dog finding obedience boring... I don't buy it Laffi... she loooooved it :p. But yes, she likely would find the duration hard.... hehe - ooh, maybe I could use a stick on you to get you back in line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Yeah food and toys distract me rather than motivate me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 food for me thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I can vouche for Laffi and the wonderful work she has done with Laffi (the dog)! As for the dog finding obedience boring... I don't buy it Laffi... she loooooved it . But yes, she likely would find the duration hard.... hehe - ooh, maybe I could use a stick on you to get you back in line :cool: I want to start training asap as I know she will love it . I just don't think she is mentally ready to stay focused for all of the exercises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 I've used a clicker when training tricks (particularly when she was a puppy) and also used it to train nice walking on a leash for a few days when she was a pup in the backyard, but I've never used one for obedience heelwork. So yes perhaps this could be my answer! That's awesome!!!! :cool: Though in the past maybe 6-8 weeks I've started marking myself with a jolly "yes!" when she looks at me when heeling, followed by a treat. So I'm kinda using the clicking method, right? I've seen the focus improve but only slightly with this method... I'm gonna buy Kay Laurence's stuff and give it a proper go anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 I would write a list out of what you want and ask some of the gurus in WA Ruby. Ptolomy is there and she is absolutely awesome but there are others to like Sue Hogben and Deb Hyde . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted December 12, 2008 Author Share Posted December 12, 2008 (edited) You mean a list of things I want to achieve and ask questions on how to do it? I'm not sure what I want to know at this point in time except for well, everything! Biggest thing on my list atm is how to achieve close to 100% focus and motivation. I feel with that, I have a better chance to teach my girls more, if that makes sense! Do those other 2 gurus come on here? Edited December 12, 2008 by Ruby81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laffi Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 You mean a list of things I want to achieve and ask questions on how to do it? I'm not sure what I want to know at this point in time except for well, everything! Biggest thing on my list atm is how to achieve close to 100% focus and motivation. I feel with that, I have a better chance to teach my girls more, if that makes sense! Do those other 2 gurus come on here? I agree ! With motivation and focus you can achieve anything! I strongly recommend Clean Run Special Edition Motivation, Drive & Self Control http://www.agilityclick.com/prod160.htm Clean Run is a magazine for agility lovers however I found that this special issue applies to all dogs sports I also think (although some people disagree) that clicker can be much more powerful than "yes". It definitely is for my dogs :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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