Steve K9Pro Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) why buy a ferrari if all you're going to do is drive on the highway? K9: This is what I wrote in reply to you in my last post? Perhaps just take a moment to see what I actually did write. K9: Medium level drives are good for obedience at a lower competition level, or they can be more suited to a new handler that hasnt worked with drive before. N: If all a person wants is competitive obedience then I seriously do not see why go for above and beyond the requirements and end up with more work for themselves. K9: Me either, thats why I wrote: K9: or they can be more suited to a new handler that hasnt worked with drive before. N: I'm also assuming the OP wants a family pet as well so I think if she's happy with the breeder then its the way to go instead of a kennel that breeds working line sheps - who predominantly would not only have prey but a decent amount of civil drive/defense and be a little pushier. Everything you want in a security dog, probably not in a competitive obedience dog. K9: I didnt write my post to the OP, I wrote in response to the comments I quoted? But I certainly can see the problem when one has a low threshold to defence... N: ETA Steve you have your opinions and theories K9: & it appears I am not allowed to. N: but I dont appreciate my posts picked to death over really stuff that is minor details and having you make your tiny modifications to it to suit what you think. K9: This is a public forum, in which people write their thoughts & others reply with their opinions, that's how it works. I didn't agree with what you had written but with some things I did, but it appears your are in a mind set that I will "pick on your posts", you cant see the parts where I did agree with you. Go look at your last ten posts, other than this one & see that I haven't picked on any of them, I think your exaggerating a tad. N: Not everyone HAS to work in drive K9: Show me where I said they do? N: not everyone as a handler is happy or suited to own a high drive dog. K9: I actually did say that, try reading what I wrote, here it is again "K9: Medium level drives are good for obedience at a lower competition level, or they can be more suited to a new handler that hasnt worked with drive before." N: They are not the be all and end all of dogs and in fact can be more trouble then they are worth at times. K9: IN YOUR OPINION, which your welcome to. Edited December 3, 2008 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdog2 Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) Nekhbet and K9 Force you are both right. I have had GSD's for nearly 20 years and trialed on and off for that period, BUT I would still class myself as inexperienced. Therefore, I don't think a dog "high" in drive is going to be suitable (I just want a dog that I can take into a trial ring that's going to be reliable - not nervous or aggressive ). And yes, it's also got to fit in with my family - no small children, but able to mix with teenagers and go to work with me. This is one of the reasons I have decided on a female. Edited December 3, 2008 by gsdog2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) This is pretty obvious but don't under estimate the importance of conformation to the obedience dog. A dog with inferior hind end construction (eg. sickle or cow hocks or dodgy hips) will have difficulty getting quick straight sits and also will lack power for jumping. Edited December 3, 2008 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickasyoucan Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) This is pretty obvious but don't under estimate the importance of conformation to the obedience dog.A dog with inferior hind end construction (eg. sickle or cow hocks or dodgy hips) will have difficulty getting quick straight sits and also will lack power for jumping. I don't know much about GSD's but they sure have changed in looks since I was young. I have seen a few young dogs around the Northern Beaches and they seem to have a very strange gait, almost difficulty walking. I think I would want to look at temperament and conformation. Edited December 4, 2008 by Quickasyoucan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) My friends working lines mali has an extreme drive. He also has very strong nerves. His problems is that he goes from zero to a hurdered in a split second, his threasholds to drive are really low, he will see something and he is off. This dog is on or off nothing in between. She has got very good obediene wtih him, but overal this dog has too much drive, for schutzhund including. Edited December 5, 2008 by MonElite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) K9: of course.... Edited December 4, 2008 by K9 Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I will ad to my previous post that I have never seen anything like taht dog. Noone in the sch club has ever seen anythinig like that dog. Litter sister and brother are both SchIII dogs and are not like this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdog2 Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 K9: of course.... Did I miss something :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K9Pro Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 K9: Nah nothing worth mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) K9: Yes have seen that too, but again its not a "too much drive" problem, its a "too much drive for that training program" problem. I agree 100%, I have never seen a dog that has had too much prey drive to be trained correctly. Poor handling and training methods for high prey drive dogs I have seen in bucketloads though. Edited December 4, 2008 by Jeff Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arawnhaus Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I will ad to my previous post that I have never seen anything like taht dog. Noone in the sch club has ever seen anythinig like that dog.Litter sister and brother are both SchIII dogs and are not like this one. Perhaps it Could be a medical Issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) well he is crazy. :wink: No there is nothing wrong with the dog, other than extreme drive. I ahve never seen him train and for a split second think of giving up on biting, chasing etc. He will drop dead from physical exhustion before he will be satisfied. I will video him for you guys one day, he is a pleasure to watch being trained, and lucky he has a owner that he has as no doubt this dog would not be suitable as an average pet. Edited December 7, 2008 by MonElite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 K9: of course.... Did I miss something K9: Nah nothing worth mentioning. Why roll the eyes in the first place than? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 GSdog2, Sounds good. 20 years of experience with the breed and you have done your homework. Dog will be going to work with you. Lucky dog. Visiting the pups once or twice, may be OK, but limited, as the pups may be just been fed, had a play etc., so may not be at their best. Asking the breeder WHY they felt their bitch was suitable to be bred may be worthwhile, as well as asking why they chose that particular stud. It might even be worthwhile taking the dam off site and checking her responses and retrieving ability. How long she stays focused for. If none are timid, simply close your eyes and pick one. The acorn generally does not fall far from the tree, so to speak. Too high drive normally means too little handler. As mentioned by K9 force and others have mentioned nerves/temperament is important. Conclusion: LOL. Sounds like a lucky puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 MonElite, just out of curiosity who bred the Belgian shepherd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Nordenstamn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I've met the Malinois in question once or twice. Very impressive work from what I've seen. Haven't seen enough to know whether I think too much drive. It is a BIG Malinois! Very easily dwarfs my GSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) He is talk of the town now LOL Ill let the owner know. He is VERY impressive, I drool over his obedience and willingness to work. If only he shut up sometimes.. Kavik Id like to see YOU with him and than you can tell us if its too much drive or not Edited December 5, 2008 by MonElite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Jones Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Harley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I never said I'd be able to handle him I know my handling needs heaps of improvement if I want to handle a dog like that, does not necessarily mean he has too much drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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