Staffy's And Rotties Most Dangerous

[Staffyluv]

yup I seem to have a turd rotty ... he plays this game where he woofs at the back door then scurries off. If I look out the window he does a massive smile and rotty wiggle like 'ahhh made you look'

two of the most common breeds. Anything black and tan is immediately a rotty cross, anything else is a staffy. THe number of pure rotties/staffies involved is probably miniscule

but hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a good story shall we

Totally agree Nekhbet. You only have to look at pound shots, every second dog is a staffy or rotty cross and more than half of them don't look like either.

[Raelene]

Hmmm, if only they had to prove through DNA testing before identifying as a "purebreed" in the media.

Hogswash about purebred staffies being aggressive to people. If they were, there is a big issue with their breeder - that should just not happen. All the pure staffords I know would lick a person to death rather than bite. It's against their breed standard.

Typical media....

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[tanya]

Well i have 2 staffords and they havent a mean bone in their body.our girl especially is such a sweet and i dont do a thing wrong type of girl.

i have to admit though, i know what you are saying about people listening to the bloody media to much and not liking our breeds based on what they hear and not the facts.

I was walking my 2 down the road, i have 1 lead and it splits into 2, and an elderly gentleman was walking his maltese(thats what it looked like anyway), well he was about 10 meters away from us and while my 2 could see him but didnt really take much notice, his was going burko. so i stopped and told my dogs to stand and wait while the fella with his little shite of a dog went past, it was pulling like a dunno what and trying to get at mine. all the time, my 2 were just happy to do what they were asked and didnt flinch an eyelid.

The fella did say thankyou as he walked past but i think he was in shock at how well my 2 behaved.

Just goes to show, without the right training and attention any dog could be a potential trouble maker..

these are my 2.

[Mum to Emma]

My sister used to have two rotties, (before one passed from bloat, poor boy) and I used to help her walk them and people would cross over and give us a wide berth! They are/were big sooks!

When I'm walking my whippets I'd ALWAYS cross over to the other side of the street if I encountered a rottweiller or staffie because as an owner I DON'T know these particular dogs are like and, with the rotties, if they get agitated, odds are their owners won't be able to control them because the dogs weigh more than their owners. And if a rottweiller or staffie had a go at one of my dogs, it would kill it in an instant (whereas if, say, an aggressive yorkie attacked my whippet, it would merely take a nip out of a leg).

And, yes, I'd do the same with other big breeds - even labs who as a breed can be a bit unreliable these days.

Rottweillers and Staffys are wonderful dogs if they are perfectly trained and correctly socialised - if not, because of their history as guarding/fighting breeds, they can be dangerous. Even some kind, intelligent people who own them don't appreciate that.

Edited November 27, 2008 by Mum to Emma

[Eileen]

I wonder why the dog attacks reported are all in the western suburbs?

[Allerzeit]

with the rotties, if they get agitated, odds are their owners won't be able to control them because the dogs weigh more than their owners.

Sorry, not picking on you here - I fully respect your reasons for crossing the road when you see a Rotty, unfortunately the breed does attract a macho, irresponsble crowd, so I understand your reasons.

However...

Just what do you think a Rotty weighs?

I always cringe at the "they weigh more than their owner" type comments. They go right along with the "Yeah, I used to have a rockwheeler - he was this big" (holding hand up to chest height).

The average weight for a Rottweiler bitch is 40kg, for a dog 50kg

Must be some mighty petite Rotty owners you are talking about if the dogs weigh more than their owners

[Eileen]

There's a rotty at my local dog park. He's the sweetest bubba in the world. Everyone loves him.

[vk2mpj]

Rotties weigh more than their owners?? That is either one VERY under weight Owner or one FAT Rotty. I weigh 94kg, and my wife 65kg (and she is a small woman) if I had a Rotty nudging the 65kg mark, I would be concerned about it.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions about these breeds. What hope do we have as Rotty lovers when this is the image they have. Whether due to the media or moron owners. I am not having a go at you Mum to Emma, but I do get frustrated when I hear un-educated comment like this.

As for the Rotty getting agitated, with a responsible owner (I know not all are) this should not be a problem. If they have a Rotty that is a bit edgy when they walk, or are a puller, then there are control devices out there that will work to help this. Combined with a bit of attention and time to work at it, it should not be a problem for too long.

Just my thoughts

[Mum to Emma]

with the rotties, if they get agitated, odds are their owners won't be able to control them because the dogs weigh more than their owners.

Sorry, not picking on you here - I fully respect your reasons for crossing the road when you see a Rotty, unfortunately the breed does attract a macho, irresponsble crowd, so I understand your reasons.

However...

Just what do you think a Rotty weighs?

I always cringe at the "they weigh more than their owner" type comments. They go right along with the "Yeah, I used to have a rockwheeler - he was this big" (holding hand up to chest height).

The average weight for a Rottweiler bitch is 40kg, for a dog 50kg

Must be some mighty petite Rotty owners you are talking about if the dogs weigh more than their owners

Large, powerful dogs can pull twice their own weight - so a 40kg dog will be effectively uncontrollable by an 80kg woman, or a 50kg dog by a 100kg man.

We've all seen people struggling to control large dogs of all breeds.

Let's face it - it's the same argument truck drivers use when defending their behaviour on the roads. "But the Hyundi driver was driving eratically too!". But what the semi driver conveniently ignores is the fact if HIS dangerous driving caused, for example, a rear end collision, his truck could run over the top of a car and kill 6 passengers inside. Whereas if a Hyundi ran into the rear of another car, it would only leave a damaged bumper bar!

[pittylover]

I have a pitty and a staffy and they are very easilly controlled yes they may get excited but as a female I have no problem controlling them even when they pull a bit. I take both my dogs to the dog park and all I get are compliments on there behaviour and attitude I agree completly that many of these dogs are big sooks as my girls love people and other dogs the only problem I've ever had is when other dogs get aggressive toward my daughter but my dogs will stop with one word many other dogs (mostly the small ones) have to be man handled by there owners and these dogs could easily harm a 4 year old. Why are they not on any lists??????

[Allerzeit]

Large, powerful dogs can pull twice their own weight - so a 40kg dog will be effectively uncontrollable by an 80kg woman, or a 50kg dog by a 100kg man.

Not what you said though, is it?

You clearly, unequivocally stated that the dogs weigh more than their owners.

My reaction was a demonstration of how painful and annoying those very common, untrue and exaggerated comments are to those of use who know these breeds back to front, inside out and every other way around.

Generalisations, exaggerations and untruths are exactly the type of bull**** that the media pull out to make a breed seem to be something that it isn't, and I, and I'm sure other breeders and lovers of breeds under attack from BSL, take exception to comments along those lines.

Edited November 28, 2008 by Allerzeit

[arawnhaus]

Quote mum 2 emma,

Let's face it - it's the same argument truck drivers use when defending their behaviour on the roads. "But the Hyundi driver was driving eratically too!". But what the semi driver conveniently ignores is the fact if HIS dangerous driving caused, for example, a rear end collision, his truck could run over the top of a car and kill 6 passengers inside. Whereas if a Hyundi ran into the rear of another car, it would only leave a damaged bumper bar!

You are not a Small breed owner by any chance are you?.........

Very Black and white........

Edited November 28, 2008 by Delkerabo

[Miranda]

Large, powerful dogs can pull twice their own weight - so a 40kg dog will be effectively uncontrollable by an 80kg woman, or a 50kg dog by a 100kg man.

We've all seen people struggling to control large dogs of all breeds.

Thanks for the heads up Mum to Emma, all my dogs weigh between 32 and 38 kgs and I'm only 52kgs so I guess I'd better stop walking them. Actually I'm surprised they haven't already pulled me over and raced off to savage some poor little SWF, I guess I've been lucky

[WreckitWhippet]

eat more chocolate and get up to around 120kgs, so I can walk my three Staffords, safe in the knowledge that I can then control them

[vk2mpj]

It is these exact poorly educated views of the breeds that are going to be the death of them. I weigh in at 95kg, and my 1 yo Rotty weighs in at 40Kg, so I guess I had better start stacking on the Kilos to ensure that I can keep walking him hey!

IF these breeds are so dangerous, and so uncontrollable, then why is it, that when I walk both my Rotty and my GSD that I have no problems from fellow large breeds?? Why is it that I only have problems with smaller dogs and their owners? Why do the small breed owners look down their nose with contempt at me?? The same owners who have SWF dogs, that are pulling so hard on their leads that their front paws lift off the ground. Is is cause their owners don't see them as a problem cause they are so small? Dunno, but sure has heck, it will be my problem if one of them piss either of my two off to the point of breaking. And dont take that as some sort of admission that I have dangerous dogs or the like (although their tails have a question mark over them). I don't care what species you are or what breed you are, everyone or thing has their breaking point, and the laws of nature will dictate the outcome of that.

I DON'T know these particular dogs are like

This is blatantly obvious M2E

End of rant

Sorry guys just had to get that out, this BSL stuff really gets my back up

Edited November 29, 2008 by vk2mpj

[BrunoBella]

As kids we had dobermans and rotties. I still love both breeds and don't find them scary. I have pointers and even they can scare some people.

I met one of the people responsible for BSL this week (lovely taxi ride ). He has two very large what he calls English American Rotties and was very proudly telling me how they kept everyone out of his yard by running up and down the fences barking aggressively at them. "No one would dare get in my yard", he says, along with "of course I have complete control of the dogs" He is seriously from another planet.

[GeckoTree]

Why you think he is responsible for BSL? he has guardian breeds doing what they do looking after the home territory, English/American is types of bloodlines in the Rottweiler like German is arnt they?, and he may well have controll of them. sounds like he is proud of his rotties guarding abilities and likes telling people about them.

I cant see anything wrong with that.

[caffiend42]

Why you think he is responsible for BSL? he has guardian breeds doing what they do looking after the home territory, English/American is types of bloodlines in the Rottweiler like German is arnt they?, and he may well have controll of them. sounds like he is proud of his rotties guarding abilities and likes telling people about them.

I cant see anything wrong with that.

Depending on the jurisdiction, aggressive fence running could result in the dogs being declared as Dangerous Dogs, so no, I don't believe allowing that behaviour to occur to be acceptable as the dogs, if they are doing that, are NOT in control.

Here, the owner could potentially be fined $220 for Dog Cause Nuisance if a complaint was submitted, and if that behaviour occurred off leash outside its property, it would be considered a Level 2 Attack for menacing behaviour. The implications are serious. Do you still see nothing wrong with that, RebLT?

[tarope]

Mum to Emma,

The Rottie is a large powerful dog, but the fact is this breed is one of the most loyal, gentle and loving breeds especially with kids.

I have a small Rottie about 38kgs, but she is very strong much stronger than my GSDs. She is an ex-cruelty case and the only problem I had with her was undoing what had been done to her. Why do you say they are uncontrollable, I have never found this to be true and if you go along to your local Rottie training club you will be shocked to see large Rotties being walked with ease by women.

You never see Irresponsible owners or people who buy Rotties for the wrong reasons at Rottie training do you.

Irresponsible owners are the problem with all breeds not just the Rottie, but it's the Rottie that the Media and these so called dog experts claim is this vicious, uncontrollable devil dog.

I'm not having a go at you, as you clearly know nothing about this beautiful breed, so please don't judge the breed by the actions of a few fools.

[BrunoBella]

Why you think he is responsible for BSL? he has guardian breeds doing what they do looking after the home territory, English/American is types of bloodlines in the Rottweiler like German is arnt they?, and he may well have controll of them. sounds like he is proud of his rotties guarding abilities and likes telling people about them.

I cant see anything wrong with that.

Depending on the jurisdiction, aggressive fence running could result in the dogs being declared as Dangerous Dogs, so no, I don't believe allowing that behaviour to occur to be acceptable as the dogs, if they are doing that, are NOT in control.

Here, the owner could potentially be fined $220 for Dog Cause Nuisance if a complaint was submitted, and if that behaviour occurred off leash outside its property, it would be considered a Level 2 Attack for menacing behaviour. The implications are serious. Do you still see nothing wrong with that, RebLT?

Thanks caffiend . I was busy cleaning up mud from the flood last week!

RebLT

The proud owner claims his method of control is that just him raising his voice is enough to make them quake with fear. (Poor rotties )

If the dogs were attacking someone he would run over, grab the dog from behind and drag it to the ground to show it who was boss. . He believes if you grab them from behind they can't bite you.

Anyone knows that a dog that is afraid is much more likely to attack.

As a final insult, he was also proud that when his dog was injured 9mths ago he didn't let the vet rip him off by fixing the poor dogs torn ligament, instead he lets the dog run around injured and in pain

I wanted to find his house and take those poor rotties out of there

I so wish I had written down his name but I was so shocked I didn't think.