Staffy's And Rotties Most Dangerous

[cavNrott]

When I'm walking my whippets I'd ALWAYS cross over to the other side of the street if I encountered a rottweiller or staffie because as an owner I DON'T know these particular dogs are like and, with the rotties, if they get agitated, odds are their owners won't be able to control them because the dogs weigh more than their owners. And if a rottweiller or staffie had a go at one of my dogs, it would kill it in an instant (whereas if, say, an aggressive yorkie attacked my whippet, it would merely take a nip out of a leg).

And, yes, I'd do the same with other big breeds - even labs who as a breed can be a bit unreliable these days.

Rottweillers and Staffys are wonderful dogs if they are perfectly trained and correctly socialised - if not, because of their history as guarding/fighting breeds, they can be dangerous. Even some kind, intelligent people who own them don't appreciate that.

It's always those who have never owned a Rottweiler who seem to have the most to say about them and think they know more about the breed than the people who own them.

Clearly Mum to Emma, you know very little about dog training. Dogs are not trained to be obedient by brute strength. I take it you have never had a well trained dog or you would be aware of that.

My Rottweiler and I were the same weight. I had full control of her, she didn't drag me around, she was well behaved. In her 7 1/2 years she was not once involved in any incident despite being frequently hassled by small badly behaved dogs whose owners had no control of their dogs.

I was always happy when walking my Rottweiler to see the nervous nellies cross over to the other side of the street because their untrained small dogs pick up on their owners fear and will act up accordingly.

Keep crossing over the street when you see an owner with a large breed dog approaching. You are doing us a favour by allowing us to calmly continue our walk without having to come face to face with a panic stricken small dog and owner.

[Sayreovi]

Ohh yes because the Rotties and other large breeds that attacked or harrassed people are owned by Dolers or go to regular obedience training

They are obviously dogs with no training and as already mentioned would have no problems throwing their weight and muscle around!

I for one, also cross the street to avoid Rotts in particular because i've only had bad experiences with them.....yes sure there are probably a few around that are nice and well mannered but i would rather not risk my dogs or myself on the hope that it may be nice

Each to their own, though some posters leave alot to be desired with their comments, its not doing alot to help your cause

[Zhou Xuanyao]

Once the pack leader takes control there is no need for force. My dog is 20kgs, but by crikey can she strain the lead. If a dog of 50kg strained the lead with the intensity she used to you can bet I would struggle to hold it thats if the lead didnt snap first. I tethered her to a post with a steel lead once to bath her and she snapped it, imagine a Rottwieller.

2 weeks ago I decided it was time to teach her to heal. Now, I walk her on a loose lead. I project that within 4 weeks, at the rate of 2 walks a day, her training will be complete even under distraction, ducks, cats, dogs, you name it. Reason bieng, the habit to heal by my side and take cues from me about how to react or what to do next has been formed and re-inforced over and over.

Dogs are like humans where habits are concerned. Habits can be good or bad, either way, they are very hard to break. Just the same, a Rottwieller taught to heal properly wouldnt dream of straining the lead because mentally he dosnt know how to, just the same as some perfectly capable breeds cant jump a 4 ft fence, because mentally they cant.

I have known many Rottwiellers and feel a respect for the breed perhaps even more so than I do for my own breed. They are instinctively exceptionally loyal and loving family dogs and guardians, not to mention highly intelligent and obedient with the right leadership. Anyone who has had the honor of knowing or owning Rottwiellers should know that. I really think any other perspective could only be from someone who dosnt know what thier talking about and hasnt met the dogs personally. Theres a few bad ones sure same as any breed, but lets use common sense for a minute and stop bieng rediculous.

Edited November 30, 2008 by calsonic350z

[tarope]

Owning a Rottie is not easy,especially with people who are so scared of them they wet themselves at the sight of one These people who know nothing about Rotties and are the first to say ban them.

You can tell them all day long what the Rottweiler is really like, but it's like talking to a brick wall as these people hate them because their fear rules them and with some of the stupid comments from Mum to Emma and Tollersowned I see BSL is alive and well here on DOL.

Anyone who has done obedience training with the Rottie club can get their Rottie to sit, drop, heal, stay etc. without even touching the dog, so much for them being uncontrollable. I wonder how many of the people who rubbish our wonderful breed can do the same.

[Sayreovi]

Owning a Rottie is not easy,especially with people who are so scared of them they wet themselves at the sight of one These people who know nothing about Rotties and are the first to say ban them.

You can tell them all day long what the Rottweiler is really like, but it's like talking to a brick wall as these people hate them because their fear rules them and with some of the stupid comments from Mum to Emma and Tollersowned I see BSL is alive and well here on DOL.

Anyone who has done obedience training with the Rottie club can get their Rottie to sit, drop, heal, stay etc. without even touching the dog, so much for them being uncontrollable. I wonder how many of the people who rubbish our wonderful breed can do the same.

Ohh Puhhlease!!

Get of your high horse!

Did you actually read my post??? I said the dogs that are attacking/harrassing people arent owned by Dolers nor is it very likely they go to the local Rottie clubs obedience classes

Where in my post did i say ban any breed? Please point out my stupid comment as well.....will be interesting what part of my experience with the breed is stupid?

Sure you can TELL them that the dog is fine, but dont you think that.....maybe just maybe....is what the delightful owner said before the dog ran across the road and tried to kill my dog? How many times have you heard an owner yell that out while their dog is running over to you obviously not fine?

I see that trying to prove that owners of the breed have a good head on their shoulders and not willing to attack those who disagree with them IS'NT alive and well on DOL.......shame really

[cavNrott]

Each to their own, though some posters leave alot to be desired with their comments, its not doing alot to help your cause

I didn't see anyone ask for help for any cause though you are correct that some posters leave a lot to be desired with their comments. Look in the mirror.

I see that trying to prove that owners of the breed have a good head on their shoulders and not willing to attack those who disagree with them IS'NT alive and well on DOL.......shame really

People are quite entitled to defend their chosen breed when negative comments are made by people who know little to nothing about the breed. Why would anyone need to prove anything to you.

Just because you had one bad experience with any breed is no reason to condemn the entire breed. That is a classic example of what BSL is about. Have you heard the saying 'blame the deed, not the breed'. BSL is alive and well!!

Just who is guilty of attacking. First you snipe about an entire breed and then you snipe about the owners of the breed on here.

So you are afraid of Rottweilers. That's your problem, there is no need to go on and on trying to fire up an argument. Leave it alone. There are those who don't particularly like your chosen breed but you would defend the breed if people publicly spoke against the breed if you were any sort of owner.

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Edited December 1, 2008 by cavNrott

[Pawprints]

Mum to Emma,

The Rottie is a large powerful dog, but the fact is this breed is one of the most loyal, gentle and loving breeds especially with kids.

I have a small Rottie about 38kgs, but she is very strong much stronger than my GSDs. She is an ex-cruelty case and the only problem I had with her was undoing what had been done to her. Why do you say they are uncontrollable, I have never found this to be true and if you go along to your local Rottie training club you will be shocked to see large Rotties being walked with ease by women.

Mine must be fitted with power steering and cruise control because Tealc is walked with a finger through the loop of his lead.

[tarope]

Ohh yes because the Rotties and other large breeds that attacked or harrassed people are owned by Dolers or go to regular obedience training

They are obviously dogs with no training and as already mentioned would have no problems throwing their weight and muscle around!

I for one, also cross the street to avoid Rotts in particular because i've only had bad experiences with them.....yes sure there are probably a few around that are nice and well mannered but i would rather not risk my dogs or myself on the hope that it may be nice

Each to their own, though some posters leave alot to be desired with their comments, its not doing alot to help your cause

Is this not your post tollersowned ? ;) as you say you've only had bad experiences with Rotties so you blame the whole breed, is this not BSL. It's people like you who would give any breed a bad name. :p ;) ;)

Your whole post is a stupid comment, on a breed you know nothing about.

[Sayreovi]

Matey, take a chill pill

Mmm.....so which part is so stupid?

In order.......first paragraph, alot of owners here are saying "ohh MY dog doesn't do this or that" or you should go down to a Rottie club to see the well behaved Rotts.....my point was that the owners of the dogs that HAVE attacked are NOT owned by Dolers nor likely to be well behaved......do you disagree with that part?

Or maybe the second bit? My experience and therefore (irrational) reaction to a breed? Suppose no one on here would avoid a certain breed based on previous experience? Same thing.....

Nah it would have to be the third part, right? Well.....you are my case and point dear

[Zhou Xuanyao]

In order.......first paragraph, alot of owners here are saying "ohh MY dog doesn't do this or that" or you should go down to a Rottie club to see the well behaved Rotts.....my point was that the owners of the dogs that HAVE attacked are NOT owned by Dolers nor likely to be well behaved......do you disagree with

So what. All breeds attack. Do you avoid all dogs ? Yes a Rottwieller will do more damage than most, but a vicous dog half the size can still tear you to pieces. In the security industry they reckon that a dog can take down a man 5 times its weight.

Or maybe the second bit? My experience and therefore (irrational) reaction to a breed? Suppose no one on here would avoid a certain breed based on previous experience? Same thing.....

No, most here wouldnt. I certainly would not. You make out like thats hard to believe. Theres the problem right there its with your attitude alone.

[poodlefan]

So what. All breeds attack. Do you avoid all dogs ? Yes a Rottwieller will do more damage than most, but a vicous dog half the size can still tear you to pieces. In the security industry they reckon that a dog can take down a man 5 times its weight.

How many 25kg men are out there? :rolleyes: Size does matter when it comes to rating the danger a dog presents to people.

Breeds with tough reputations will always attract knobs who think that the reputation will extend to them. I don't blame the dogs for that.

The problem is the kind of owner who thinks that lack of socialisation and training is the right way to raise a 'tough' dog. Most dogs who inflict serious injury on people have a certain kind of history.. no program of socialisation, no formal training and no intervention when initial signs of aggression are displayed. Some owners actually encourage such displays.

"Bad" dogs are largely made, not born and breed is only one issue in a whole cocktail of circumstances that produce a dangerous dog.

Edited December 2, 2008 by poodlefan

[arawnhaus]

It's best to take cautionary methods around ALL ANIMALS.All Canines are different.Including Breeds of Dogs,some are friendly some are not. To say a breed is safe is stupid. To say a Breed is Unsafe is stupid.

[Sayreovi]

In order.......first paragraph, alot of owners here are saying "ohh MY dog doesn't do this or that" or you should go down to a Rottie club to see the well behaved Rotts.....my point was that the owners of the dogs that HAVE attacked are NOT owned by Dolers nor likely to be well behaved......do you disagree with

So what. All breeds attack. Do you avoid all dogs ? Yes a Rottwieller will do more damage than most, but a vicous dog half the size can still tear you to pieces. In the security industry they reckon that a dog can take down a man 5 times its weight.

Am i not being clear enough? Must not as my point is taken the wrong way again.

I was not talking about Rotties but rather all breeds i just happened to have an example with Rotties in it, there is nothing wrong with being aware of what your breed is capable of and admitting it.......i am aware that my breed, though highly unlikely, can cause damage because they are still a dog......but the ones that ARE causing serious damage arent the best examples of the breed but they are still the breed......sorry still not explaining myself properly ;)

Yes, i do generally avoid all dogs when out on walks or anywhere really, unless i feel they will be OK.

Ohh don't mean to be picky, but it's RottwEILer, it's just hard to take someone seriously if they don't know how to spell the breed ;)

Or maybe the second bit? My experience and therefore (irrational) reaction to a breed? Suppose no one on here would avoid a certain breed based on previous experience? Same thing.....

No, most here wouldnt. I certainly would not. You make out like thats hard to believe. Theres the problem right there its with your attitude alone.

Mate, there is nothing wrong with my attitude I've seen several people on here mention how they avoid SWF, how is that any different to my situation? :rolleyes:

Ahh Poodlefan, i agree 100%, that's what i've been trying to say!! Except you did it in one and i had several attempts ;)

Delkerabo: In a round about way i agree, too say a breed is safe based on your (in general not yours) own dogs is silly, as is having a fear of them based on a few individuals ;)

Edited December 2, 2008 by tollersowned

[Zhou Xuanyao]

Poodlefan

How many 25kg men are out there? Size does matter when it comes to rating the danger a dog presents to people.

I didnt say size doesnt matter. This is me not some story teller from general that tries to say "all dogs bite" followed by a fullstop. My point is youl be in serious trouble if a vicous dog of 50kg fronts you, just as you would a dog of 20kg. Going by theory, 20kg can bring down 100kg, 25kg can bring down 125kg, ect. Its like hitting a nail into a bit of pine. You could use a regular hammer, or you could use a sledge hammer, both are going to do the job

Tollersowned

Mate, there is nothing wrong with my attitude

I disagree.

I've seen several people on here mention how they avoid SWF, how is that any different to my situation?

In practice its different but the principle is the same.

[poodlefan]

I didnt say size doesnt matter. This is me not some story teller from general that tries to say "all dogs bite" followed by a fullstop.

Good, cos we all know it does. :wink:

25kg dog or 50kg dog.. you'd be in serious trouble either way if it meant you harm.

Edited December 2, 2008 by poodlefan

[Allerzeit]

The problem is the kind of owner who thinks that lack of socialisation and training is the right way to raise a 'tough' dog. Most dogs who inflict serious injury on people have a certain kind of history.. no program of socialisation, no formal training and no intervention when initial signs of aggression are displayed. Some owners actually encourage such displays.

Absolutely, but also combined with the problem of irresponsible breeders (BYB and registered), selling pups to anyone with a fist full of cash regardless of the type of person they are - and there are far too many breeders around that do that.

If we had responsible breeders and owners then things, in relation to BSL, would be VERY different.

[poodlefan]

The problem is the kind of owner who thinks that lack of socialisation and training is the right way to raise a 'tough' dog. Most dogs who inflict serious injury on people have a certain kind of history.. no program of socialisation, no formal training and no intervention when initial signs of aggression are displayed. Some owners actually encourage such displays.

Absolutely, but also combined with the problem of irresponsible breeders (BYB and registered), selling pups to anyone with a fist full of cash regardless of the type of person they are - and there are far too many breeders around that do that.

If we had responsible breeders and owners then things, in relation to BSL, would be VERY different.

Too true. People breeding any representative of the breed that's capable of it produces some very dodgy temperaments, regardless of the breed in question.

[tarope]

Or maybe the second bit? My experience and therefore (irrational) reaction to a breed? Suppose no one on here would avoid a certain breed based on previous experience? Same thing.....

I was once told - what you do with your Rottie reflects back on the breed, how true. When I was young, I was bitten on the arm by a Collie rough but it didn't stop me owning one years later for 14.5 years but unlike you I didn't blame the breed or have a fear of them for the rest of my life.

I bet you have a large photo of Hugh Wirthless on your wall don't you, another person who hates the breed.

[Sayreovi]

I was once told - what you do with your Rottie reflects back on the breed, how true. When I was young, I was bitten on the arm by a Collie rough but it didn't stop me owning one years later for 14.5 years but unlike you I didn't blame the breed or have a fear of them for the rest of my life.

I bet you have a large photo of Hugh Wirthless on your wall don't you, another person who hates the breed.

How did you know?!

I worship the man, have a little shrine.....*whispers* Don't tell anyone!

Mmm so how many nice Collies did you meet after the one that bit you? Have to be at least one right? See right there.....thats the difference

[tarope]

Just read Barbara Perry's statement on the NSW Government web page and I can't see where she says Rotties and Staffies are dangerous. As always it's the bloody Media who claim this.

One attack by either breed is one too many, but when you see how many registered pure breed Rotties and Staffies there are here in NSW you realize it's just the bloody Media wanting higher paper sales at the expense of our breeds. :D

It's a shame Pollies don't look at their own web page for information instead of quoting from newspapers about attacts by certain breeds.

When I look I see, pure breed Rottweilers 28,198. Staffies 61,501. A total of 89,699 for both breeds.

So how can the Bloody Media claim that because of 69 attacts by these and crosses of these breeds in one single year be the most Dangerous breeds, what a load crap, and I don't buy newspapers for reasons like this and you shouldn't either then they might get the message.