MonElite Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 How do you teach your dog? Two of my friends where talking about how they did theirs and one taught the dog on the track, the other off the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm doing but am very interested in tracking. I have been encouraging play with articles at home. Tossing the articles and getting the dog to retrieve and play tug with them. I also place the dog in a stay and put articles around the lounge room then get the dog to return each to me. I also place articles on the track when we train, sometimes with food under, sometimes not so as not to have the dog expecting it. My dogs have all so far naturally stopped to sniff longer at the article but I have been told it's not enough to guarentee a pass so I use a command to get them to wait at the article until I am there or return it to me (different methods for different dogs). Very interested to hear from others. Edited October 28, 2008 by molasseslass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I haven't started articles yet, but the book I am using teaches them off the track first. I am going to do a drop at the article, makes the most sense to me. I was thinking start simply by putting article down while dog watches and drop dog when it goes to it? Not sure lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 I have been encouraging play with articles at home. Tossing the articles and getting the dog to retrieve and play tug with them. I also place the dog in a stay and put articles around the lounge room then get the dog to return each to me. ML - Im talking about articles on the track, not about seek back or retrieving articles/gloves in obedience. Are we talking about the same thing? The articles on the track, the dog tracks your footsteps and than finds an article (piece of leather) and is to drop (no command) once it finds it with the article between its front paws. I was adviced NOT to play tug with the articles, as apparently last thing you want is the dog actually picking it up. I havent taught the articles on the track as yet, and when time comes to train I will just follow one trainers advice. But Im interested in different methods how people teach this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I'm pretty sure the dog can indicate by dropping, sitting or standing but has to do the same thing each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 I guess it depends in which sport (what organisation) Id say its the safest to teach a drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I agree safest to teach a drop. What are you using for articles. I am not sure what to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I have been encouraging play with articles at home. Tossing the articles and getting the dog to retrieve and play tug with them. I also place the dog in a stay and put articles around the lounge room then get the dog to return each to me. ML - Im talking about articles on the track, not about seek back or retrieving articles/gloves in obedience. Are we talking about the same thing? The articles on the track, the dog tracks your footsteps and than finds an article (piece of leather) and is to drop (no command) once it finds it with the article between its front paws. I was adviced NOT to play tug with the articles, as apparently last thing you want is the dog actually picking it up. I havent taught the articles on the track as yet, and when time comes to train I will just follow one trainers advice. But Im interested in different methods how people teach this. Yes talking about tracking articles. Are you talking about ANKC or Schutzhund tracking though? The dog is required to "indicate" the articles in ANKC tracking which I thought I had been told can be covered by the dog stopping at or retrieving the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 "The dog must positively indicate the articles by either sitting, standing, downing, picking up or at least pausing to obtain a pass." From ANKC rules. I didn't realise pause was allowed - drop still the safest as it is also permitted in SchH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I didn't realise pause was allowed I was told that the each judges interpretation of a pause will differ which is why although my dogs did it naturally it was better to teach a more obvious indication.drop still the safest as it is also permitted in SchH Maybe for those with a schutzhund eligble breed - doesn't matter for the rest of us. Anyway, I'll back out now, as Schutzhund tracking is not my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I don't think they are that different? Some people may use different methods, but the tests don't look all that different, besides the angle of turns (always 90 degrees in SchH). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 Anyway, I'll back out now, as Schutzhund tracking is not my thing. I thought that they are nearly the same. I know people that have done both sucessfully, so they cant be THAT different. From what I understand Schutzhund one is more precise, thats all. so things like pausing and picking the article up is not allowed in sch but at the end of the day the dog has to find the article and indicate it somehow. And from what I understand most people use the drop as the indicator. What are you using for articles. I will be using piece of leather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisart Dobes Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Hi Mon, Hope you are well. We do both - IPO & ANKC - I train IPO. Footstep / food and under control. Alot of ANKC trackers use the 'anxiety' method - dog stressing over owner / handler leaving and then they just let the dog work it out. IPO method is alot more accurate. IPO tracks are very accuratley laid on quite sterile ground (nice green mowed grass etc). The articles vary from leather strip, keys, wallet etc Dogs must drop on ariticle and they lose points for crooked drop etc. ANKC tracks are laid on very contaminated ground - you can have a track that is laid in a paddock with 1000 sheep in it - Lexi had her T5 (TDX) in a paddock with a herd of sheep who insisted on walking the entire track in front of us - they broke 3 of the track pegs (things that the flags go on for the track layer) - she thought it was great fun - wasn't a great tracking effort but she got there. You can have cows, horses, foxes, dead sheep - dead cows (yummy !!!!). So in this way the ANKC tracks are harder for the dogs in my opinion. ANKC tracking articles are socks - nothing else - dogs must stop (pause was in the old rules) - if they don't stop it is treated as no indication. They can stand, sit, drop whatever. I teach drop - Lexi dropped on all her articles (good kid) - whereas her brother,Darred (who dropped in training tracks mind you) insisted on picking up articles and 'killing' them - much to the amusment of the judges and stewards following us. The only time he didn't do this was his T6 ( T CH) when the tracklayer put rocks on the socks to stop them blowing away - he dropped on the articles and the judge kept laughing at his perplexed look because he couldn't pick them up (she had judged him several times from prelim to T6 and knew what his article indication was) - he wasn't at all happy. Teaching articles - always off a training track but on a short 'track' - say 10 articles over a distance of 50 mtrs. Our puppies do article tracks from 10 wks and start tracks at about 16 wks. Unfortunately in Vic we cannot risk competing in IPO due to VCA regulations and other competitors all too ready to dob me in for teaching my dogs to 'bite'. . . . One day. Can you 'legally' compete without risking your ANKC membership in other states ????? ANKC tracking fraternity is pushing to have 'HST' - "Hard Surface Tracking" up and running next year - fingers crossed as we now have 4 T CH's who can't compete anymore. It should be great fun. Anyhoo, yet again I am babbling - have to start getting dogs ready for Specialty this week. Best of luck with the tracking Mon - look forward to hearing results with Diavani (is Sexy Rex allowed ???). Bernadette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thank you Dette. I teach Divani the IPO way than, food in each steps than lessening of the food. Articles are pieces of leather, and for now she has no idea what they are for. Must explore the ANKC way, and it does sound more difficult, although the IPO people tell me theirs is more difficult. I guess Ill form my opinon once I learn about it more. I know NOTHING about tracking, but if there was anything my dog was born to do its tracking, she is brilliant at it, so I decided to learn a bit and do it with her. I didnt enjoy it at first at all, I still dont, well its growing on me, but I can see how she fast progressed when I did it few times with her and it gives me satisfaction. We have a very long way to go to get to trailing level, so dont hold your breath for now :D As to competing in all sorts of stuff. Well if I decide to compete in any IPO event I wont be hiding it, I dont do any bite work so I yeah anyone take me on about my dangerous dog IPO has titles in separate categories too so I will try to get BH, tracking and obedicne in both IPO and ANKC. Wellllll thats the big dream/ big plan. How much I will achieve thats another story :D Sexy Rexy is an old man now and he has mastered the art of sleeping on my bed, looking lovingly, occasionally barking at the gate and being the best of the best dog ever. And I happy with his achievements in last 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy2 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 How do you teach your dog?Two of my friends where talking about how they did theirs and one taught the dog on the track, the other off the track. I find this article by Dennis Helms very good. He's talking Schuthund, but it works fine for ANKC tracking. http://www.finographics.com/schutzhund/tra...ngarticles.html speedy2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thank you speedy2, thats a great website for other tips and tricks too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
africandreams Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I am also interested in tracking. What is the difference between IPO and ANKC? I think my girl will be brilliant at tracking- but I am curious as to how a trial works? Basically my understanding is a track is layed and the dog has to find the article, and the either drop/pause? Is this right? What happens next? Any articles would be great- checked out CAWA website and all i could find was info for training judges. Just want to know the rules etc! I clicked on the link that speedy2 posted about Dennis Helms- but page is no longer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolassesLass Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 ANKC rule books can be downloaded from here. Some information about how trials are run: DogsVic - Introduction to Tracking ANKC Tracking in Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
africandreams Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 that is excellent thankyou molasseslass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weibritty Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 (edited) Here's another tracking website you could have a look at: http://www.trackingclubvic.org.au/ and also http://members.iinet.net.au/~mfmargot/tracking.html Edited December 23, 2008 by Weibritty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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