ness Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Hmmm cos not all of us are functioning creatures before 9am :rolleyes: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeak Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 As for the seekback rules - the rules are the same in every state as we all use the same blue rule book - and the rolled seekback is the same shape and size as the metal article. I have trialled in most states under judges from every state and my rolled article has never been questioned.Off topic......at the Nationals, somebody from NSW came up to me and said if I ever trialled in NSW I would lose points because I played with my dog in the ring between exercises. HMmm can't wait to trial in NSW next year! Thanks for that. I am very much a "newbie" to even the concept of trialling. I hope (fingers crossed) to be able to trial my first dog next year. Part of my preparation is to read and understand the rules as much as possible (mainly so that I am not the one who fails us!) as well as getting to a few trials to watch and also steward. I guess I questioned the seekback article because I understand that there has been changes to the rule book within the last couple of years??? and I am not sure if what I am seeing at trials matches with the current rules (as most people seem to be using a flat leather seek back article). And, at the trials I have been to in NSW, I have seen plenty of people playing with their dog between exercises (including hand touches, jumps, etc). Interesting from my "newbie" point of view is that these seem to be the better competitors! The thing that really surprised me at a trial was in the open class (I think), where a competitor was using the "touch" command during a heeling pattern, instead of a "heel" command. Yes, the hand was held at the waist, but the dog was occasionally making contact with the hand as they were heeling - dog was actually straining to try to touch the hand. Unfortunately I wasn't able to stay and find out the heeling score for this pair, but I was under the impression that if you contacted your dog or vice versa during an exercise (or giving a signal) that you would be penalised for this. I would be very interested in hearing people's thoughts on this. I don't have a problem with people using a hand touch to teach heeling (whatever works for the handler and the dog), just wondering about what happens in the ring. Shoey - sorry, I seem to have taken your thread a bit OT - happy to start a new thread if you would prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Haha - Ness and Ptolomy at it again :rolleyes: Freezer - I got that from a friend in NZ... when I was first starting out with Leo she mentioned that freezing was good - and it works for us :D. Mind you - I'm pretty slack with it these days and not noticed any change in his success rate :p This is a friend who is particularly careful with her cloths though (zipped bag and all) Ptolomy - who trains in the morning?!?!?! Gaah - that involves getting up earlier in order to fit in walk AND training At least the days are longer now :p The thing is - I need to set a date for when I want Leo to be ready for UD... otherwise, I may be plodding along at this pace for the next 3 yrs!! Hmm... I remember someone said at the Royal yesterday... "you can't train UD with 5mins each week"... and therein lies my problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogs4Fun Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Geez I dunno mine probably do have food on them to some extent as I don't wash my hands before playing a scent session :rolleyes: . In fact my trial sets probably have some food smells on them as well. Ooops.ETA. And for those who haven't met Ptolomy don't listen to what she has to say she is VERY scary . Yeah, but not like the "spray plastic cheese on the article" brigade. This makes them very hard to get clean, let alone scent "neutral". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 LP yes you can - 5 minutes every day :rolleyes: . Oh and for what its worth Ptolomy would most likely say cut the walks and train instead . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 No way - I love my walks Yes - but 5 mins each week isn't gonna cut it :rolleyes: Long story short - I need to get off my a$$ ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Er yep LP watch it if you don't have have access to a "speshiel" means of making you :rolleyes: . Currently out on loan but I think it should be back shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted September 19, 2008 Author Share Posted September 19, 2008 Shoey - sorry, I seem to have taken your thread a bit OT - happy to start a new thread if you would prefer. No dont do that, this is really interesting Thanks for all the advice, I am all motivated to get going now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 howz all the training going Shoey?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Just wanted to say thanks for all the info in this thread. I've started sending Ziggy out to a bowl with one solitary piece of kibble in it, then coming straight back for another piece. After 2 brief training sessions in the lounge room, he's already starting to pre-empt my "front" call and is bolting back to me It's really handy half an hour before dinner when the cats are getting annoyed with him (more than normal ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 Yeah going well, still just focussing on retrieves with different things now, and gonna get me some UD articles in the next few weeks to start with them Am hanging for FOO to start back again, so I can see where my real weaknesses will be, Molly just loves to surprise me with these things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) Ok started this tues night (cos after LP asked me how it was going I realised I'd been slack!), 2 gloves, she has stopped mouthing 90% of the time, she is so clever Trying not to use my body too much, but I think I could probably guide her a little better with my signal Edited October 1, 2008 by shoemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Well done Shoemonster, LP can see you have been training and working on it. Its a bit hard to tell what your signal is like and also if the dog is actually locking onto the glove - or just going out to it because thats the way you arm is flapping. Also because the gloves are at opposite ends of the kitchen it is also hard to tell if she understands that you arm is actually giving direction rather than a fetch command as in the dumbbell. The idea of the food bowls is that the dog will lock into the bowl you are directing and will not take their eyes off it until you send. Can we have a weekly video update - this is great....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Can we have a weekly video update - this is great....... I can't watch it here but will watch it tonight Shoey Are you going to FOOs?! That just reminded me - I have video's on order that I still need to tape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Well done Shoemonster, LP can see you have been training and working on it.Its a bit hard to tell what your signal is like and also if the dog is actually locking onto the glove - or just going out to it because thats the way you arm is flapping. Also because the gloves are at opposite ends of the kitchen it is also hard to tell if she understands that you arm is actually giving direction rather than a fetch command as in the dumbbell. The idea of the food bowls is that the dog will lock into the bowl you are directing and will not take their eyes off it until you send. Can we have a weekly video update - this is great....... I am getting that response with Ziggy - I'm not sure that I would have understood what you meant had I not run a Lab in a retrieving trial a few months ago who has an amazing ability to mark. Awesome experience We tried it outside yesterday but the wind picked up the bowl of food and flung it across the oval Poor Zig looked so disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Cool, will work that, I havent really been training much yet with the direction, more did the vid to show where she (and I!) were at Started doing the bowls, and the little bugger kept eating the food then picking up the bowl to bring it back to me then I got myself stuck, as I didnt want to tell her not to bring something back, shoulda just come here for advice, like heavier bowls probably ;) Will still work the glove retrieve seperate to the directions, but you can see she is hardly mouthing now :D and no more flipping it around and I've got her holding it now even when I bring my hands down Ohhh and ETA so right about my signals, I am flapping like a chook Edited October 2, 2008 by shoemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Zoe eats the food and brings the target back to me too :D Very funny and cute, not exactly what I planned though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 :D yep thats what we had here! Tonight I used a heavy bowl though and ta daaa, no more trying to bring it back with her! I have to admit I went out to the paddocks near our place tonight, and did some dumbell work, and the grass was so long she couldnt see it so she did a bit of a tracking retrieve poor moll moll She did find it and race back to me though, so she's a good girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoemonster Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Here are some better vids of Molly retrieve on the flat from tonight Please let me know anything we are doing crappy! lol Edited October 2, 2008 by shoemonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 So when's your first trial shoey?! I just love her enthusiasm! You guys look great :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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