Micro Biting?

[MonElite]

I dont really know how to describe it.

My girl likes to play tug and fetch and has a very good grip. I mean a grip that the sch people want, its deep and when she holds on she holds on. She doesnt chew on the grip. When she retrieves (as in excercise) she doesnt chew when she comes to me.

The other day I was playing with her in the house, and the game was that I was throwing the ball on a string for her, she would fetch it and run to her bed to chew on it.

I would call her to come to me which she didnt really want to do, would get the ball of her (asking her to give) and throw again.

On few of the returns I would just tug with her and let her win.

At one return I got preoccupied with something and just held the string wtih no pressure on it whatsoever, she wasnt pulling just holding and I could feel micro movements.

I thought it might have been perhaps her teeth on the ball, but no, I think she was doing it with her jaw.

It was invisible, but when I have put my hand on her muzzle I could feel it. She had a very strong grip at the time.

I tested it again and she did it again.

What was it? it was hundereds of the micro shakes per minute if not thousands. Totally invisible but kind of like electricity transferring down the string.

I imagine its something stress related, the conflict of giving up the toy etc, but normally dogs chew, which she occasionally can when we play fetch with just one ball.

any ideas?

ETA - she was fully in drive, going crazy, I dont think I have ever seen her that driven other than at lure coursing.

Edited September 3, 2008 by Monelite

[Lablover]

I tested it again and she did it again.

What was it? it was hundereds of the micro shakes per minute if not thousands. Totally invisible but kind of like electricity transferring down the string.

If she did IT again, try to video next time.

Microshakes?? Interesting!!!!!!!

[MonElite]

LL - its invisible, you would have to touch it to feel it.

If you look at her she is holding strong and thats about it.

[Lablover]

LL - its invisible, you would have to touch it to feel it.

If you look at her she is holding strong and thats about it.

Invisible? But vibrating. Still interesting!!!!!!!

You may remember my US field bred labrador is a teeth chatterer - excess drive, some call it. He looks odd intermittently when he delivers, as his low jaw quivers, sometimes excessively. Luckily no hard mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Erny]

Monelite .... do you mean something along the lines of a 'quiver' ?

Still not sure what the reason might be though. Can only think of jaw ligament and/or adrenaline like affect/anticipation. May be completely off the mark though.

[Lablover]

Monelite .... do you mean something along the lines of a 'quiver' ?

Still not sure what the reason might be though. Can only think of jaw ligament and/or adrenaline like affect/anticipation. May be completely off the mark though.

Erny so glad someone else has added to this thread.

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

[Erny]

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance.

[Lablover]

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance.

Yes I have, mind you, in years (decades!!! LOL), gone by when I was a gym junkie. Hard to believe looking at me nowadays.

[Lablover]

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance.

Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48.

How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

[The Spotted Devil]

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance.

Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48.

How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

What HAVE you been up to Julie?????

Will have to catch up soon!

[Lablover]

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance.

Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48.

How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

What HAVE you been up to Julie?????

Will have to catch up soon!

Do not ask darling. Travelling around the country side, getting bogged in dirt roads (alone) while toiletting the dogs. Staying a couple of nights ago at a place near Stawell, where I expected Norman Bates to jump out while I showered. What a trip.

Now girl, serious question, please run Yo again. He is fresh, as he was left at home with long suffering.

[The Spotted Devil]

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance.

Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48.

How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

What HAVE you been up to Julie?????

Will have to catch up soon!

Do not ask darling. Travelling around the country side, getting bogged in dirt roads (alone) while toiletting the dogs. Staying a couple of nights ago at a place near Stawell, where I expected Norman Bates to jump out while I showered. What a trip.

Now girl, serious question, please run Yo again. He is fresh, as he was left at home with long suffering.

Sounds like fun! Uni has settled down for a bit and I'd love to have a session with you all (not to mention a glass of red!) - will give you a call soon

Sorry for OT

[Erny]

How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

.... Not sure of the point of your question, LL ???

[Lablover]

I would presume quiver would be easily seen?

Not necessarily, LL. Just to better describe the TYPE of 'quiver' I'm talking about .... have you ever had an event where there has been a sudden onset of adrenalin rush and then as the adrenalin leaves you, you can feel the muscles in (eg) your leg quivering? Not necessarily easily visible, but there nonetheless. I've also experienced this sort of 'quiver' when (say) a muscle in my arm has been over-taxed yet I continue to put stress on it by working it. It's not necessarily obvious and would be unlikely to show up if someone video taped it, but it's there. That's what I'm meaning by 'quiver' in this instance.

Just an extra question, as I am finally cooking dinner for long suffering husband, not bad as I have been home for 9 nights out of the last 48.

How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

What HAVE you been up to Julie?????

Will have to catch up soon!

Do not ask darling. Travelling around the country side, getting bogged in dirt roads (alone) while toiletting the dogs. Staying a couple of nights ago at a place near Stawell, where I expected Norman Bates to jump out while I showered. What a trip.

Now girl, serious question, please run Yo again. He is fresh, as he was left at home with long suffering.

Sounds like fun! Uni has settled down for a bit and I'd love to have a session with you all (not to mention a glass of red!) - will give you a call soon

Sorry for OT

I am sure original poster will not mind. Please advise if so.

Have you entered any obedience etc trials yet?

Edited September 4, 2008 by Lablover

[The Spotted Devil]

Have PM'd you LL

[Lablover]

How often have you seen high desire dogs with sound temperament/nerves?

.... Not sure of the point of your question, LL ???

Sorry for the confusion. As every breeder, owner, or trainer would acknowlege, traits are important, the failure of which is one TRAIT, at a time, weather it be health, working ability, temperament. Show dogs well..........enough said. Beauty queens/kings have never been a primary concern of mine.

So I was wondering as a trainer, how many successful dog have you seen with high desire, and sound temperatment/nerves.?

[Erny]

Sorry for the confusion. As every breeder, owner, or trainer would acknowlege, traits are important, the failure of which is one TRAIT, at a time, weather it be health, working ability, temperament. Show dogs well..........enough said. Beauty queens/kings have never been a primary concern of mine.

So I was wondering as a trainer, how many successful dog have you seen with high desire, and sound temperatment/nerves.?

I'm probably still a bit lost because I'm not sure if your question is supposed to be relating to the OP's post or not? But regardless, to answer, I have seen numerous - mostly in protection and scent detection work but also in other fields as well. In some instances I have unfortunately seen numbers with unsound temperament/nerves being trained for these roles as well. Of course also in my line of work I see plenty with high desire and unsound temperament/nerves. If what you mean by "desire" is "drive", I have seen dogs with many varying levels, but then I see many different breeds, breed lines and individuals within breeds as well, and would imagine other trainers would have seen the same variances amongst their own canine clients.

But I'm still unsure as to how this question relates here, or how the answer to it is of any interest ???? Sorry - perhaps due to the lateness of the hour and a lack of sleep over the last few nights, I am not comprehending the reason for your questioning and therefore my answer may not be targetting your question accurately.

Edited September 4, 2008 by Erny

[MonElite]

no it wasnt like a quiver, not like the muscle overdoing.

it was less than the phone vibrating although a simmilar speed, the closest I can compare it to is when you have a electrical transmitor on and it is sort of buzzing.

I am thinking it might be the adrenaline overload as she was going absolutly nuts, or maybe it was the teeth on the ball. it was orbee so maybe it was friction betweeen the teeth and the rubber when she had her mouth extremly tightly closed, teeth jabbed into rubber.

Who knows... I will try to test this again, perhaps with a different type of a toy.

[Lablover]

Sorry for the confusion. As every breeder, owner, or trainer would acknowlege, traits are important, the failure of which is one TRAIT, at a time, weather it be health, working ability, temperament. Show dogs well..........enough said. Beauty queens/kings have never been a primary concern of mine.

So I was wondering as a trainer, how many successful dog have you seen with high desire, and sound temperatment/nerves.?

I'm probably still a bit lost because I'm not sure if your question is supposed to be relating to the OP's post or not? But regardless, to answer, I have seen numerous - mostly in protection and scent detection work but also in other fields as well. In some instances I have unfortunately seen numbers with unsound temperament/nerves being trained for these roles as well. Of course also in my line of work I see plenty with high desire and unsound temperament/nerves. If what you mean by "desire" is "drive", I have seen dogs with many varying levels, but then I see many different breeds, breed lines and individuals within breeds as well, and would imagine other trainers would have seen the same variances amongst their own canine clients.

But I'm still unsure as to how this question relates here, or how the answer to it is of any interest ???? Sorry - perhaps due to the lateness of the hour and a lack of sleep over the last few nights, I am not comprehending the reason for your questioning and therefore my answer may not be targetting your question accurately.

Sorry Erny,

My posts were (or rather ARE) difficult to follow. Not many people own high drive dogs, rather sensible of them I think some days!!!!!! As a result have little experience in observing somewhat unwanted behaviour.

Even a friend who owns a SMF, who is a retrieving manic, but a lovely dog becomes frustrated with it, as it throws a ball to fresh hands/visitors, after we have given up playing.