kleintjie Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I've been struggling to find the Cavalier I've been looking for, after putting my name on a few waiting lists I got a pup in my state. The breeder is registered but the pup won't be. I was so excited to find a breeder in my area that I put a deposit on as they can't keep the pup without it. I was going to look at them next week. Just today I got a message another breeder is keeping a pup for me but this one is in a neigbouring state. This pup will be registered. My main concern is to make the best choice, especially considering the health of the puppy. There is quite a price difference due to travel but other than that it's mainly the registration difference. Do breeders give you back the deposit if you decide to no longer take the puppy? Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madredeperros Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 One thing I will tell you to look for is whether the parents have been health tested, whichever breeder you look at. I understand that in one of the states, pups don't have to be registered but all breeding dogs should be health tested. If neither do health testing, run as far as you can get & look at other breeders. I'm sure a Cav breeder here can tell you what health tests the dogs should be tested for but that should be a priority. I would also be worried that they have taken a deposit from you, before you have even seen the pups. A breeder needs to know whether any of the pups even suit you as they will all have different personalities & you may fall in love with one but that one may not be suited to you at all. For my own litters, I will wait until the pups' personalities really start to shine before I let people know which pup I am thinking of for them & THEN they can place a deposit if they wish. If the people just suddenly change their minds & get a pup from someone else, the deposit is not given back. If they don't get a pup because the litter is too small or I have decided that there isn't a pup for them from that litter, I will give the deposit back. Talk to each breeder, find out which health tests they do & get to know them. You have to feel comfortable with your breeder as they are supposed to be there for the rest of your dog's life. Good luck & I hope you find the little bundle of fur that you have always wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 WA did not require pet pups to be registered. As far as I understand, the CAWA has now changed this regulation, and the pups must all be registered. Probably worth checking with the registering body in whichever state the pup is. Are you likely to have your deposit refunded if you reneg on the first pup? Are the parents tested - ie, hearts and patellas? Is there any SM in the lines? Will the breeder guarantee the health of the pup? Benefits of buying locally is that you can see the kennels and the parents and pups. Downside is no registration. I think breeders should issue registration papers. What reason is the breeder giving for not issuing registration papers for the pup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues and Boots Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I put a $200 deposit down for a litter that hadn't even been mated. At the time the breeder wasn't even sure who she was going to mate the bitch to. Circumstances changed and I had to cancel my name on her list which I did in less then a week after puting my name on her list but the breeder would not return the deposit. I now know never to give a deposit for a puppy until it's born or a least until the bitch is pregnant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretel Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Yes definitely look into the health testing of the parents. Mitral Valve Disease is a big worry in the breed. Are the parents checked by specialists? Be aware that because Cavaliers are cute and cuddly that many people cash in on them being easy to sell and breed just for the sake of pups to sell and not with any intention of maintaining or improving the breed. Ask lots of questions! Have the breeders been asking you questions? A good breeder will want to know their pups are going to good homes. I have never taken a deposit. I have spoken to people and sent photos etc before the pups were ready to see. Do the breeders show their dogs? How are the pups raised? If I was buying from someone I didn't know I would much prefer to go and meet them and their dogs to see how the dogs live and temperaments. This is a good site for info on what to look for when buying a Cavalier pup http://www.geocities.com/ozcavaliers2/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EISHUND Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 The breeder is registered but the pup won't be. why wont the pup be registered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaC Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 We are picking up our new puppy next weekend, we've not been asked for a deposit but have provided the breeder with a lot of information about us before she decided that we could give a home to one of her puppies.... I was asked to provide information on things like - yard size and security, plans for when the pup first comes home, family situation, pet ownership history, training and future goals for the pup ... I ended up writing out almost like a resume of us and our family and sending it down and it was a great experience to go through cause it just cemented the fact that we really did want this pup and we really could provide it with the home it deserves.... Our breeder had more requests than what she had pups for so its quite a thrill for us to be offered one.... (and 1 week to go!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanglen Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Priority one - health testing, priority two - socialisation and appropriate raising of the pups, priority three - registered breeders should only be selling registered pups. Just my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaz Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 Do breeders give you back the deposit if you decide to no longer take the puppy? I always thought a deposit was surrendered if you did not follow through with a purchase, isn't that the nature of a deposit. There would be no point having a deposit if it was just given back each time someone did not follow through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam&Saki Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 The breeder is registered but the pup won't be. why wont the pup be registered ;) This happened to me too, saw the parents, saw the parents pedigrees, put the deposit down on a 'pet' pup (as opposed to a show or breeding pup) knowing it wouldn't be mains registered but thinking it would be on limited registration... But no, breeder didn't register the pet pups at all. Couldn't really do much about it, was already in love with the pup... You don't get the deposit back, such is the nature of a deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trishalouise Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 The breeder is registered but the pup won't be. why wont the pup be registered ;) This happened to me too, saw the parents, saw the parents pedigrees, put the deposit down on a 'pet' pup (as opposed to a show or breeding pup) knowing it wouldn't be mains registered but thinking it would be on limited registration... But no, breeder didn't register the pet pups at all. Couldn't really do much about it, was already in love with the pup... You don't get the deposit back, such is the nature of a deposit. This happened to us too - apparently an "oops" litter and the bitches 3rd in 18 months. ;) We had been through all the motions and it was only when I asked about the papers that they admitted they weren't registering the litter as they didn't want a reprimand. They have had one more litter since then (different bitch), don't know if they were registered but they are no longer breeding. It still bothers me that our pup isn't registered - but - the parents are health tested and they were raised in a way I liked - so unless I wanted to kick up a fuss and return the puppy (not going to happen!!) I just have to suck it up and remember it for next time. Go with your gut - you will know the right puppy! Trish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleintjie Posted August 18, 2008 Author Share Posted August 18, 2008 Thanks for all the good replies. I'm not sure why the puppy won't be registered. I asked and I was told it's because she doesn't want pet owners breeding with the puppy. I explained that I only want the puppy on limited registration (no showing or breeding). I since found out, if pups aren't registered within a certain time frame they can't then be registered. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). I feel better going with the puppy that will be registered because the breeder seems better and all health testing, socialisation etc will be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanglen Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 You really need to feel very confident with your decision so take your time! You are right the pup can't be registered after a certain time but from memory it's quite a while (18 months rings a bell but I think it depends on the state etc) Reality is, the pups should be main or limited register, many of my pups go on limited register but would never suggest to not register a pup! You sound oike you have made a wise choice! Best wishes for the new baby when the time is right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EISHUND Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 Thanks for all the good replies. I'm not sure why the puppy won't be registered. I asked and I was told it's because she doesn't want pet owners breeding with the puppy. I explained that I only want the puppy on limited registration (no showing or breeding). I since found out, if pups aren't registered within a certain time frame they can't then be registered. (Please correct me if I'm wrong).I feel better going with the puppy that will be registered because the breeder seems better and all health testing, socialisation etc will be done. Hmm, this breeder sounds a bit dodgy to me, their excuse for not registering is pathetic & sounds suspicious. If they don't want it to be bred from, they can limited register it. Hmmm, I wonder what their excuse for not limited registering the pup would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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