Sick Puppy Refund?

[kamuzz]

Years back, my GSD boy did not drop his second testicle which is not 100% confirmed until 6 months.

The breeder was very helpful during the waiting period and when it was decided that Muncher would never develop "a full set" she offered me a choice of returning him for another puppy or having a refund of half his purchase price to pay for his desexing. That was very reasonable of her IMHO.

Note: this was back in the days when bitches were spayed but dogs generally were left entire....

[Zombie Bait]

We bought our Purebred Rhodesian Ridgeback bitch from a reputable breeder and unfortunately she had an umbilical hernia. When my vet picked it up (breeders vet missed it) and I let our breeder know she was very apologetic and annoyed that her vet hadnt picked it up. She sent us a $50 cheque to cover costs of repair when we desexed our girl. I never cashed it as I didnt feel it was a problem and in the end our vet never charged us to have it repaired whilst desexing.

I was happy with the gesture more than the actual money.

And our girl has also been a bit of a regular at the vets (not the breeders fault - our girl is just a clutz and a bit of a hypochondriac (sp?)!!!!)

[Dogsfevr]

When did you little one have her last vacc?

Did you find things went down hill after the vacc ??

I agree with Jed regarding the Ticks & cocciada.Ticks can be a pain & easily fixed plus the other issue.

The hernia well hard one there.Some vets have no clue in this area either.One of our last pups the vet told them it had a severe hernia.We new it didnt but scared the crap out of the owners & created a minor distrust with pet owner & us.We meet them & checked the pup & it had nothing,talked to vet who was a total nob.

We havea clause in our puppy contracts that any hernias MUST be fixed at spaying at our cost.

As for the other issues google,there is alot of info regarding HOD & kidney issues in weis.

Im aware of HOD via the setters & how the vaccs can certainly play part

[Christina]

I think you wont get anything unless you return your puppy. Which you wont but would you really want another puppy from here ? This is all a little more than just bad luck from your description of it all. My health guarantee for the 1st year says the general health of the dog is the owners responsibility but if there is any problem due to breeding/genetic issues they have a choice of returning the puppy & a full refund or if the problem can be treated & they wish to keep the puppy vet fees to be paid up to the amount of the purchase price except $200.

As they get to keep their puppy which is already desexed,vaccs & microchipped I feel this is fair.

To be honest as much as I would hate doing it if a pup needed thousand of dollars of treatment I would probably PTS too,I would go up about $1000 but am not mega wealthy however if anything like this did occur,which thankfully never has,I would not breed from them again no matter how small the risk of affected pups in future.

I think you must just love & enjoy your very expensive puppy. A sad experience for you.

[:ange:]

thankyou for all the replies..

I was, like many of you said, hoping the breeder would refund on goodwill. I am not going to push it or pursue it as many of you have made me realise that it may be fruitless and possibly end up in a bad relationship and cause more problems.

Thankyou for all of the info on HOD.. I have spent many hours reading up on it since she was diagnosed.

It didn't occur after her vaccination as she was well past her last vacc (at 12 weeks) when things started happening (usually 7 days according to information).

Also someone who suggested googling kidney problems in Weimaraners... could you provide me with some information? I am at a loss to find any information on kidney problems in Wei's that cause bleeding in urination. There are high rates of kidney problems in Weimaraners - but usually in older dogs. Not at 5 months old!!!! Sorry - I tried finding it but I couldn't find anything!

There are the other things like kidney stones, infection, poison (initial diagnosis), and trauma - at no point has there been any accidents/falls etc. They have checked for tumours, cycts etc. They have done exploratory surgery to find what the problem is and found that one of her kidney's in slightly larger than the other which they seem to think that is the problem there - not 100%. There is no way of knowing what's wrong with this kidney unless it is removed.

As I said in my first post about the ticks and coccidia - all they did was scare me. I didn't care at all after she had been treated I was SO happy to finally have her - it had been almost a 6 month wait to get a pup. The umbilical hernia I wasn't aware of until I was checking her over after she arrived - the vet said that it would need to be operated on. Now at 7 months it has almost disappeared - I'm lucky I didn't jump the gun and go ahead with surgery. It was more that I wasn't told she had one that was the problem..

Alot of people have suggested to me - just put her down and start again. I am not someone who views their dog as 'just a dog'. She has become part of our family. No way would I put her down OR give her back. However long doggy god decides to put her on this earth for, she will stay with me.

Thanks for all the input!! Much appreciated.

This is her urine..

[stormie]

That urine looks scary... Are you seeing a specialist now?

[:ange:]

That urine looks scary... Are you seeing a specialist now?

No, we aren't. We are pretty rural and don't have the facilities unless we travelled 4 hours +. We're also a little strapped financially because of the vet debt we're already in and aren't really willing to spend more thousands at the risk of getting a shrug of the shoudlers and the same diagnosis of "idiopathic juvenile renal haemorrhaging" (unknown cause of renal bleeding).

[stormie]

I don't know a lot about wei's, but I'm pretty sure they can suffer from both auto immune diseases as well as immunodeficiency diseases. I wonder if its possible that she has developed an auto immune disease, which might explain the HOD and possibly the kidney problems also? If it is auto immune, her body could be attacking her own kidney.

Did the vets take a biopsy of her enlarged kidney when they did the exploratory surgery?

I really hope you get some answers soon. Is she urinating frequently, suggestive of an infection? Or is it still a normal flow just full of blood? Do her bloods show any sign of bleeding occuring? Or abnormal white cells?

Edited August 6, 2008 by stormie

[Dogsfevr]

Your dog didnt have the yearly heartworm jab ??

Also i think your moving to Perth .I would enquire into what specialist & equipment you have over there compared to Perth.NSW generally has more services available & most likely at a cheaper price.

The only place we have here is Murdoch & to be honest i wouldnt take a dead dog there

Edited August 6, 2008 by settrlvr

[WalandLibby]

What a difficult time you and your pup have been having (continue to have). About the HOD, if as the info posted by settrlvr suggests, it seems to be inherited as an autosomal recessive (the dog must receive the relevant gene/s from both parents in order to develop the condition) and the faulty gene is widely distributed throughout the breed, then it's likely that until your pup's diagnosis your breeder had no way of knowing that her parents carried it. And to my mind, producing a pup with this condition under these circumstances is not something that they can really be held responsible for, in that there really wasn't anything they could do to prevent it.

If they knew of other relatives with the condition (or ought to have known) or continue to breed from either of her parents or her siblings, that's another story.

Edited August 6, 2008 by WalandLibby

[Jed]

Pug Hugger

Ah Jed - if I gave you my breeder's phone number could you talk some of your very reasonable and common sense into her please???

She'd probably swear at me, Pug Hugger!!

What's the problem with your pup, and what has the breeder offered?

I think all breeders should be made to read "The Water Babies", and particularly about Mrs. Do-As-You-Would-Be-Done-By. I have very few problems with the pups I breed, but when there is a problem, I wonder "what would I want?" and go from there.

And we registered breeders need to not only say we are better than puppy farmers, but to be better.

[Pug Hugger]

Pug Hugger

Ah Jed - if I gave you my breeder's phone number could you talk some of your very reasonable and common sense into her please???

She'd probably swear at me, Pug Hugger!!

What's the problem with your pup, and what has the breeder offered?

I think all breeders should be made to read "The Water Babies", and particularly about Mrs. Do-As-You-Would-Be-Done-By. I have very few problems with the pups I breed, but when there is a problem, I wonder "what would I want?" and go from there.

And we registered breeders need to not only say we are better than puppy farmers, but to be better.

Let me find the link - far easier to read the threads I think!!! Breeder has offered zilch, nada, nothing. Granted my problem is not one that can be tested for but it would have been nice for her to offer something, even $100 to help with the vet bills would have helped (over $4000 on a 10 month old dog!) - what smarts with us is we are actually quite good friends with her - even some form of gesture would have been appreciated, does that make sense?

Problem

http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...=138678&hl=

Questions about responsibilities

http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...=139013&hl=

[Jed]

I reckon Louie's problems come under the "shit happens" category. The breeder could never have been expected to be aware that something like that would happen.

If it was me,I'd go with "we'll see what we can work out with the next litter" - you have a statement there.

I'd probably give you another pup. Probably an ugly one. LOL!!

Years ago, I bought a beautiful dog from a top kennel. They were going to show her,but she wasn't thriving in the kennel, and they thought she might be happiere in the home environment I would provide. Turned out that she was gravely ill with someting so unusual the breeder could not have been expected to know about it, and in fact, we took her to upwards of 20 vets trying to find out what was wrong.

We finally did find out. It was just a "shit happens" rare thing, and there was no cure. Luckily, by a good accident, she got over it - but she costs us many thousands in vets bills etc.

I didn't really think the breeder was responsible, nor did she. I never asked for anything, and she never offered. However, over the years, good things came my way - services to dogs which didn't stand to the public, and at good rates, an offer of a good dog (free), endless help and assistance. Probably more than the dog cost in vets bills.

With the right breeder, you will be ok about this. I wouldn't fret, she has said she will do something, and she will. Unfortunately, most breeders can't pull $$ or pups our of their back pocket, but I think she will see you right.

Wait and see, and let us know.

When the pup I bred died from an aortic aneurism, her vet told her it wasn't my fault, it wasn't hereditary, it was a fault he had been born with, and there was no way I could have foreseen it. I told her I would give her another pup, which I did, from a litter I bred to replace him. She waited patiently - if she had jumped up and down threatened to sue, or been a pain, there would have been no pup. Because she would have made me angry. I told her I would see her right from the next litter, and I did. She paid for the vaccination (at breeders rates) and I provided the pup and the registration. But then, she had to pay the vet's bill for the dog - which cetainly wasn't thousands.

Have faith.