sumosmum Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 oh crap so is it bad that i stoped the steroids he only had the first 1/2 tablet so only one dose. the only other thing that i can think of that may have triggered it is that the clover in the back yard started to flower recently could this have caused it arrgh im getting confused should i get a second opinion? once again thanks for the advice everyone There will not be any problem with only one dose. Sorry did not mean to frighten you. It will not make a difference with that small dose, however, if the dog was on the medication for a while, you would need to taper at the end. People are the same with it. When humans take cortisone, they are told to taper at the end also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaves Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 oh crap so is it bad that i stoped the steroids he only had the first 1/2 tablet so only one dose. the only other thing that i can think of that may have triggered it is that the clover in the back yard started to flower recently could this have caused it arrgh im getting confused should i get a second opinion? once again thanks for the advice everyone NO after one dose stopping would not have any adverse effect. Sorry if we scared you Cortisone would not be a drug i would choose for my pup unless as a last resort. JMO Have you tried washing the pups feet, tried an antihistamine? If it is on her feet alone that woudl suggest a contact allergy. I had nightshade in my yard last summer and my JRT suffered badly from an allergic reaction and it took me a while to work out the cause. Good luck finding the cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumosmum Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 (edited) I think there needs to be a bit more education here on the use of Cortisone and the fact the Cortisone is usually issued in very low doses where it does not act as an immune supressant. Allergies are a reaction by the body's immune system. So if it is used to treat allergies, it is effecting the immune system by suppressing the reaction. ETA Immune reaction mechanism is rather sophisticated. It includes production of antibodies that work as body 'guards'. Their goal is to neutralize any substances (so called antigens) that intrude into a body. Theoretically speaking any immune reaction should be successful, but sometimes the immune system 'exceeds its powers and without any control starts treating absolutely harmless substances as if they were dangerous. Such loss of control leads to destructive hyper reactions. These destructive reactions are called 'allergic reactions', while the antigens that provoke such reactions are called 'allergens'. Edited July 10, 2008 by sumosmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hope your dog will be better soon. I also hope that you have got some useful information from searching. Good Luck. I just wanted to say that steroid treatment should NOT just be stopped if it has been started. Steroids need to be gradually cut back and the dog weaned off of them. Suddenly stopping steroids can do more harm than having your dog on them in the first place. You should consult your Vet about ceasing steroids if you intend to stop the course early, or use them differently than the prescribed dose you have been given.ETA You should consult your Vet about ceasing or changing any medication which has been prescribed. It is very dangerous to muck around with this sort of thing. Especially steroids. We haven't had issues with cutting the dogs supply off to cortisone, Vets haven't had any issues with taking dogs off Cortisone. Cortisone in tablet form is a drug that you can administer as you wish, up the dose when neccessary and lower the dose or cut it off where you can. I'm not sure what you're referring to when saying it can cause more harm than good, I think you're confusing Cortisone with Crack or something? lol, no, not confusing it with crack. I do not know anything about crack. Steroids should never just be stopped suddenly. The dose should be tapered at the end so that the body's own system can kick back into action naturally. If cortisone is suddenly stopped the effect can be similar to Cushings. When cortisone is taken, the body slows down producing its own form of it and the synthetic takes over doing the job. The body makes its own natural cortisone which is needed for the body to function correctly. By tapering the dose, the body slowly gets back into producing the correct level to function. This will be explained to you by a vet if you ask them. It was explained to me by my vet and by a doctor. Last paragraph of this link http://www.provet.co.uk/health/diseases/cd...icosteroids.htm Last paragraph under dosage, towards the bottom of the page. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cl...;articleid=1422 If you do not want to go through the heavy reading of this article, go to the bottom of page 6, start of page 7 http://www.utskinvet.org/pdf/Corticosteroids.pdf Hope that helps. :D If we can take a step back to where I was discussing that many dogs are on such a low dose hense stopping cortisone wouldn't be an issue. It is highly unlikely that one such as myself would need to give 3 cortisone tablets to my dog one day and then nothing the next, you work down as neccessary when you are getting better results and then break away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss B Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 You should consult your Vet about ceasing or changing any medication which has been prescribed. It is very dangerous to muck around with this sort of thing. Especially steroids. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainy Posted July 11, 2008 Author Share Posted July 11, 2008 once again thanks for all your help, diesel has taken to the change in diet well he seems to like the "new" food better we get the mower back today (its been getting fixed for a month) so im hoping getting rid of the clover flowers might help when i go to town monday im going to get a new shampoo aswell any suggestions of a good one to buy? thanks Sera oh i added a pic of the little mister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I think there needs to be a bit more education here on the use of Cortisone and the fact the Cortisone is usually issued in very low doses where it does not act as an immune supressant. Allergies are a reaction by the body's immune system. So if it is used to treat allergies, it is effecting the immune system by suppressing the reaction. This isnt' 100% correct. Cortisone is an anti inflammatory. It is also used to treat arthritis. Allergies in dogs can cause a reaction in the skin which results in inflammation, and thus becoming itchy. Removing the inflammation takes away the itchiness and discomfort. It's only when you start getting up into the high doses (1-2mg/kg or higher) that it starts to have an affect on the immune system. Some animals can have a reaction of sorts in an area which causes the skin to become inflammed and the dog licks and chews and it gets worse and worse. A short course of tapered cortisone can take away the inflammation and allow the skin to heal, and the problem may never come back. If the problem comes back, then it's time to start looking at other causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumosmum Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 once again thanks for all your help, diesel has taken to the change in diet well he seems to like the "new" food better we get the mower back today (its been getting fixed for a month) so im hoping getting rid of the clover flowers might help when i go to town monday im going to get a new shampoo aswell any suggestions of a good one to buy? thanks Sera oh i added a pic of the little mister Rainy, glad your little man likes the new food. He is a handsome little bloke. The following link to this thread might be helpful to you. It sounds like a lot of people have had some success using the shampoo mentioned. http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...groomers+choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainy Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 Rainy, glad your little man likes the new food. He is a handsome little bloke.The following link to this thread might be helpful to you. It sounds like a lot of people have had some success using the shampoo mentioned. http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...groomers+choice thanks for that link im definatly going to give them a call and get something for him big thanks to all for all your help Sera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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