Cocker Puppies With Papers

[Dogsfevr]

I think you actually need to contact breeders in your own state.

Even if you buy in NSW you still have transport costs.

The rate your going your cheaper pup wont work out cheaper & you will get more confused as to what your getting.

There is no point buying a cheap puppy whose parents arent DNA for PRCD & you end up with ablind dog at 4 years or kidney issues

[mcbeal]

I know setterlvr ..... I am already getting myself confused, tho that is not difficult to do these days .... too many things to do and not enough brain cells to cover them all I am afraid.

I will restrict my wild goose chases to Vic from now on ... and honestly I would rather get one local .... sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees!!!

[RAGSRUS]

Hi there

As registered breeders of Ragdolls we were very mindful of what a good registered breeder should be offering in regards to their puppies . Our baby girl arrives tomorrow from QLD . We reside in SA but decided after many emails from breeders that this one breeder in fact made us very comfortable with her. Yes, we have not met the parents but feel that this puppy has been well bred . Our breeding Ragdols are mostly bought from interstate & very recently over seas so you have to trust a good breeder ........... most registered breeders are very reputable

Costs seem to be the same for each state & would say that is $500 is very cheap for a puppy , they all seem to be around $800 - $1000

Good luck with finding your new puppy

[au_d2]

Hello mcbeal,

I've just bought a mature cocker spaniel (15mths) last Saturday. He was advertised here in the DoL mature dogs pages.

I've posted some pics of him here:

http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?s=&a...t&p=2768862

and he was $500 .. plus once I get him desexed .. the breeder will refund me some $$s

I completely disagree with the breeder who told you NOT to even consider a mature dog. A major variable when buying a puppy is that you do NOT know how the temperament of that dog will turn out. It is much easier to identify temperament issues with an older dog than a 6-8 week old puppy.

I have two children .. one is 2 and a half, and the other 3 weeks old today . I spent time with Merlin to test his temperament before i decided to get him.

You have to consider your own circumstances. Have you had dogs before? do you have time for the puppy stuff?

We wanted a matured dog because we didn't have the desire to go through the "puppy" stages. We use to breed dobermans 10-15 yrs ago. We recently had a GSP (german shorthaired pointer) that we have rehomed. It was very hard to let him go, but the reason was that he was not "kid safe". He was clumsy and did not have any sense of how big and how much force he had when he bumps into you. Our dobes on the otherhand could run at you full speed and stop dead in front of you without touching you, the GSP though would bowl you over ... not good with todlers.

Hey .. what type of Cocker spaniel were you after? .. and "english" cocker .. are an american cocker ?

Edited June 19, 2008 by au_d2

[Dogsfevr]

"A major variable when buying a puppy is that you do NOT know how the temperament of that dog will turn out. It is much easier to identify temperament issues with an older dog than a 6-8 week old puppy.'

Actually this is incorrect as well.

A good breeder does now the temps of there pups BUT the major influence on any pup,young dog or mature dog is the family it goes to & the way it is treated.

Even the most stable dog can be transformed into a monster by new owners ,I have seen this happen many a time.

If a mature dog has not be exposed to young children then most breeders would never place the dog or that family in a position where the dog is unable to cope/settle with the actions of young toddlers & as such will suggest a pup as it can grown up with the children & deal with there sounds,body language from day one & the right pup is match at that stage.

"We recently had a GSP (german shorthaired pointer) that we have rehomed. It was very hard to let him go, but the reason was that he was not "kid safe". He was clumsy and did not have any sense of how big and how much force he had when he bumps into you"

What you have said above is the classic reason .GSP are great around kids & trained correctly do very well .Im sure the dog is now in a better home

[au_d2]

"A major variable when buying a puppy is that you do NOT know how the temperament of that dog will turn out. It is much easier to identify temperament issues with an older dog than a 6-8 week old puppy.'

Actually this is incorrect as well.

A good breeder does now the temps of there pups BUT the major influence on any pup,young dog or mature dog is the family it goes to & the way it is treated.

Even the most stable dog can be transformed into a monster by new owners ,I have seen this happen many a time.

If a mature dog has not be exposed to young children then most breeders would never place the dog or that family in a position where the dog is unable to cope/settle with the actions of young toddlers & as such will suggest a pup as it can grown up with the children & deal with there sounds,body language from day one & the right pup is match at that stage.

"We recently had a GSP (german shorthaired pointer) that we have rehomed. It was very hard to let him go, but the reason was that he was not "kid safe". He was clumsy and did not have any sense of how big and how much force he had when he bumps into you"

What you have said above is the classic reason .GSP are great around kids & trained correctly do very well .Im sure the dog is now in a better home

I still stand by what i said .... A major variable when buying a puppy is that you do NOT know how the temperament of that dog will turn out. It is much easier to identify temperament issues with an older dog than a 6-8 week old puppy

YOU ... being the puppy buyer

you make excellent points settrlvr ... but for every "good" breeder that you have described (who can tell the temperaments of their dogs) .. there are just as many if not more that can't.

We're talking from a puppy buying perspective here ... if you find what you believe to be a "good" breeder .. how will you as the puppy buyer be able to judge the temperament of the puppies. What guarantees do you as the puppy buyer have that the breeder you've found knows how to determine the temperaments of the puppies. ... so my point is .. for a "puppy buyer" ... it is much easier to identify temperament issues with a older dog than a 6-8 week old puppy.

[SparkyTansy]

McBeal, as you have waited so long already to make the decision to get a pup, what is a few more months of waiting by finding a breeder you are happy with through good channels (like DOL or VCA) and saving the money in the meantime?

You say two mortgages are daunting etc, but what if your beloved pup (who was a little on the cheaper side due to no health checks or not from a reputable breeder) got very sick and you had to fork out a lot of money on vet bills?

I started saving for my first dog when i was 18, working part time and studying. I saved $20 a week and got my pup a year later, and had plenty of money to spare for transport, vet care etc.

[SparkyTansy]

We're talking from a puppy buying perspective here ... if you find what you believe to be a "good" breeder .. how will you as the puppy buyer be able to judge the temperament of the puppies. What guarantees do you as the puppy buyer have that the breeder you've found knows how to determine the temperaments of the puppies. ... so my point is .. for a "puppy buyer" ... it is much easier to identify temperament issues with a older dog than a 6-8 week old puppy.

it is just as difficult to determine temperament in an older dog. What if that older dog is shy or traumatised? unsure about it's change of living situation. It takes a few months to settle in and then it comes out of its shell, and turns out to be the complete opposite of what it was when you met the dog.

A 'good' breeder will never guarantee you, but will recommend to you what they think is the best pup for you, based on their observations in the previous 8 weeks. If there was a breeder who didn't know what their pups temperaments were like, you can confidently say that they probably aren't a 'good' breeder.

[Pug Hugger]

I don't want to be gloomy but if money is so tight do you want to consider getting a dog at all?

My Louie is currently in surgery which is going to cost me (in the end) over $3,000. This is not because he is badly bred, it is a freak congenital defect that no-one can be blamed for but nonetheless must be fixed to attempt to save his life.

What would you do if something like this happened to your pup? After my experience I strongly recommend pet insurance.

Think worse case scenario - I had over $1,000 in a side account just in case - that's not been enough in my case but I a fortunate enough to have very caring family who are helping me.

I hope you make the best decision for yourself and your dog.

[Maverick]

I own a Chocolate/Liver roan bitch (special child as she is ). Vienna is currently 10mths and I have an agreement with her breeder. There are only 2 breeders who I could recommend, who currently breed chocolate and they are my breeder Kistenwales (Vi Catley) and Alana (who lives up on the Central Coast but I just can't remember her prefix, but she breeds on the Runcorn lines).

Best to hold off and save your pennies and get exactly what you want..

Here is a photo of the 'special child'

[au_d2]

I own a Chocolate/Liver roan bitch (special child as she is ). Vienna is currently 10mths and I have an agreement with her breeder. There are only 2 breeders who I could recommend, who currently breed chocolate and they are my breeder Kistenwales (Vi Catley) and Alana (who lives up on the Central Coast but I just can't remember her prefix, but she breeds on the Runcorn lines).

Best to hold off and save your pennies and get exactly what you want..

Here is a photo of the 'special child'

are you referring to Allana Smith from Algara Kennels in Attunga.

http://www.geocities.com/algara21

[mcbeal]

I don't want to be gloomy but if money is so tight do you want to consider getting a dog at all?

Well no actually money is not a humungous problem, though we do have two mortages and have to be reasonably sensible

I guess it was that I did not completely understand that an $850 pup was actually for a pet, not a show dog. As I am simply looking to buy a loving family pet that would be desexed asap and as had no intentions of showing/breeding I thought that $850 was a bit steep (keeping in mind what I just said about thinking 850 was the price another breeder might pay for a pup too with the intention of breeding/showing that pup later).

This is simply a case of misunderstanding through ignorance on my behalf. Lucky DOL members were able to set me straight.

If anything was to happen to my current dog ....... the money is there, same would go for any new member of the family

My husband and I will just wait and see, if the right pup comes up then we will go from that point.

Editted to add: ad_d2 I would like an English cocker spaniel

Edited June 19, 2008 by mcbeal

[au_d2]

Currently in VIC .. there is only one puppy litter advertised here on DOL: Gold cockers due late June.

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/puppie...C&Submit=Go

There are 28 breeders in VIC who are DOL members

http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/breede...C&Submit=Go

Here is the Cocker Spaniel Club of Vic puppy page

http://home.connexus.net.au/~cockers/Litters.htm

they say:

LITTERS AND OLDER DOGS FOR SALE

For up-to-date information on puppy litters available, or for older dogs, please RING the Club Puppy Officer

Many people ask the price of a puppy. This is between the buyer and

the seller, but they are generally priced between $600 to $800.

What I would do is to contact a few breeders in the area ... you are not just shopping for a puppy. I think its extremely important to also find a breeder you can trust and can call upon if you ever have a problem. Don't buy the first puppy you see. Visit a few litters if you can, talk to as many breeders as you can. Are any of the registered breeders on the link above close to you ????. Even if a breeder doesn't have a litter down ... they are usually more than welcoming to have you over, especially if you impress upon them that you have been considering the breed for 2 yrs and have now decided that the time is right. Also specify that you are looking for a pet and a puppy on limited register is fine with you (do you know what limited register means) ... ... something you can ask the breeder, is the puppy on an open or a limited register? Many breeders these days will offer you cash back for puppies sold on a limited register once you have them desexed.

I once visited a breeder who had english springer spaniels puppies. They had advertised that the dogs were registered and with papers ... when I asked where were they registered. The breeder told me with the GCCC ...???? the GCCC ... I had never heard of that organisation ... mmmmm ... I asked what the GCCC was ........................... the Gold Coast City Council . And papers ... they were ... an excel produced document of the puppies family tree and photos of the parents.

Its also great to be able to get to know the dam. And if the breeder has used another breeders dog for the sire ... ask the sires owners questions as well.

Also go to the dog shows ... the cocker club holds regular meetings. Go there to socialise with the exhibitors and ask as many questions as you can.

Ask ask ask

Edited June 19, 2008 by au_d2

[kaywoman68]

I got my gorgeous blue roan cocker Oi from DOL. She was being shown but due to an aesthetic problem it was decided by her breeder that she would rehomed to a pet home. She was $800 with papers (limited) and that was in October 2005.

You have lots of wonderful advice from breeders and experienced dog people.

Good luck on your search for a family member who you will love and cherish for a very long time and who will in return give you the same!

"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole."

[ellz]

I'd like to say something about advertising, be it on DOL, Petlink, in the classified section of your local newspaper, Trading Post or anywhere else for that matter.

Don't automatically discount everybody who uses these mediums for advertising as shonky or pet farmers.

I for one utilise such places because I use it as a means to educate potential puppy purchasers.

If the only people that use these places ARE shonks and millers, then they have no competition from the reputable and responsible people out there. If you can't beat them (which we can't because they outweigh us by sheer numbers), then join them and make it a darn sight harder for them to peddle their wares.

I have in the past placed advertisements for various breeds and had people ring and have spent time educating and discussing the pros and cons of purchasing a puppy from a registered, reputable and responsible breeder. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but if it even makes a person THINK about their future purchase, then it is a win.

Sorry for the ramble, this subject has been playing on my mind since discussing that wonderful subject of BLUE Staffordshire Bull Terriers with a young woman here in Tasmania today who was only concerned about the potential $2000 per puppy that she might be able to get. She had no idea of the downside of the breed, nor their particular temperament issues and especially not the genetic issues. I hope she's a bit wiser now. Maybe not, but at least I tried.

[Maverick]

No.. Alana from Cadbilly...

http://www.users.bigpond.com/gary.hopson/cadbilly/

[Silverblue]

I couldn't agree with you more ELLZ.

I too have advertised in such places, it's gives the public a chance to see the difference between the Registered Breeders & the BYB, so never discount a RB just because they advertise in Trading Post etc.

[Cockerlover]

I too agree with u ;re advertising ;isnt the main purpose for being a breeder (or @ least one of the many)TO EDUCATE !!the uneducated out there; re the upmost inportance of buying your lifetime commitment /friend ;from a reputable reg breeder ,,who will walk to the end of this earth to assist any buyer in any way possible, so as not to buy from a byb or pet shop!!I like ,im sure many other rep breeders ,spend many hours trying ;(regaurdless of wether i make a sale or not)to explain the whys & wherefors of sellecting not just the puppy but the Breeder conserned ,to me each is as inportant as the other!!

[Pippa]

Dogzonline is by far the best as you know the breeders are all registered and you don't have to worry about whether the papers have been been typed on an old typewriter and stamped with something bought at the local newsagency

[ellz]

DOL might BE the best but it isn't the ONLY and that is the point.

Joe Q Public is far more likely to look at the obvious places like Petlink, Trading Post and their local newspaper before they come to DOL. Many don't hear about DOL until it is too late.

More breeders need to work harder at catching Joe Q BEFORE he purchases from a shonk and if they can't help him themselves, then they need to be at least educating him AND sending him to DOL.

But having said that, DOL isn't the be-all end-all either. I can assure you that there are many breeders who are registered and who use DOL that aren't quite what they promote themselves as being either!