Tiggy Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 The breed standard weight range for a Staffordshire Bull Terrier bitch is 11-15.4kg and for a dog 12.7-17kg. I have a small bitch who weighs 18kg and a 1 year old still growing dog who is 21kg. Both are in fit condition. Do you think the breed has gotten bigger and the weight range is outdated? I just find it interesting. Is it the same with other breeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 No the breed is still the same. The standard is correct. It is the fact that some breeders breed for bigger dogs that put them in a class that cannot be shown and should not be bred from - they don't meet the standard. If you buy from a reputable, registered breeder I doubt you would have this problem because they breed for conformation and temperament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anniejac Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 The breed standard weight range for a Staffordshire Bull Terrier bitch is 11-15.4kg and for a dog 12.7-17kg. I have a small bitch who weighs 18kg and a 1 year old still growing dog who is 21kg. Both are in fit condition. Do you think the breed has gotten bigger and the weight range is outdated? I just find it interesting. Is it the same with other breeds? Both my Bitches are about 18kg, they are both fit and have a healthy diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 I've been to dog shows and the male Staffords in particular are definitely over that weight range. Banjo is a small male and weighs 21kg. He's from a registered breeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 The point is they are simply OVERSIZED, you don't change a standard simply because Breeders refuse to comply. Staffords are supposed to be an agile terrier, many certainly could not be described as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 (edited) The famous words on an ex-DOLer. " If it's over 16 inches and 38 pounds, it ain't a Stafford" There's the old saying bigger is better, it's certainly true in the case of the SBT. Edited June 16, 2008 by Warley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he'smyhero Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 My boy is 17kg's I'm sick of people constantly telling me he's too small- he is actually at the highend of the weight range. As Crisovar said Stafford's are meant to be an agile terrier- breed to fight and move them selves around the ring in a flexible athletic way, and also small enough to be picked up and carried under the owner's arm. Alot of the SBT's you see today (showdog's included) are, IMO, way too big, too wide, and too stocky- they wouldn't be able to do what they were meant to do which is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruthless Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Angel's tipping the scales at almost 17kgs and she's far from overweight. Too muscly maybe, but not fat. Having said that though, she's a pound hound, so prob not bred by a reputable breeder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Kaos is 16, had her drop 2kgs a few weeks ago, but had a vet trip and she is back to her normal 16. I would like to put a bit more weight on her for winter, but no matter what i do, she is always skinny!! (wish i had her body!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~SL~ Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 No the breed is still the same. The standard is correct.It is the fact that some breeders breed for bigger dogs that put them in a class that cannot be shown and should not be bred from - they don't meet the standard. If you buy from a reputable, registered breeder I doubt you would have this problem because they breed for conformation and temperament. I dont think its right to say a tall dog should not be bred from. It's entirely possible that two 16 inch dogs could throw an 18 inch dog. Its all in the lines. Reputable, registered breeders can still throw an occasional tall dog in their litters thats just genetics. It goes on to a debate that I've heard before, would you breed a dog with great confirmation that happened to be 18 inches and above the weight standard or would you rather breed with the 16 inch dog with the bad mouth. What would be considered a more serious fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 No the breed is still the same. The standard is correct.It is the fact that some breeders breed for bigger dogs that put them in a class that cannot be shown and should not be bred from - they don't meet the standard. If you buy from a reputable, registered breeder I doubt you would have this problem because they breed for conformation and temperament. I dont think its right to say a tall dog should not be bred from. It's entirely possible that two 16 inch dogs could throw an 18 inch dog. Its all in the lines. Reputable, registered breeders can still throw an occasional tall dog in their litters thats just genetics. It goes on to a debate that I've heard before, would you breed a dog with great confirmation that happened to be 18 inches and above the weight standard or would you rather breed with the 16 inch dog with the bad mouth. What would be considered a more serious fault? Yes it is entirely possible that two 16 inch dogs will 'throw' an 18 inch dog, I dare say it happens often... The fact is that the dog does not fit the breed standard - therefore should be desexed and homed as a pet... IMO it should not be bred from or shown in the ring because it does not meet the standard set down for the breed - just my opinion StaffordLove, nothing more. I am not a breeder. Would I breed a dog that was 18 inches as opposed to a dog with a bad mouth - NO, I would breed neither. Both would be desexed and homed as pets. I am not sure that a reputable breeder would breed a dog outside the standard either, I would like to hear from breeders if they do - would be interesting as to why. The breed standard is there for a reason. Stick to the standard and the breed won't end up bastardised. We won't end up with a 'type' instead of a 'breed'. I don't know about anyone else, but I like our breed just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~SL~ Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 No the breed is still the same. The standard is correct.It is the fact that some breeders breed for bigger dogs that put them in a class that cannot be shown and should not be bred from - they don't meet the standard. If you buy from a reputable, registered breeder I doubt you would have this problem because they breed for conformation and temperament. I dont think its right to say a tall dog should not be bred from. It's entirely possible that two 16 inch dogs could throw an 18 inch dog. Its all in the lines. Reputable, registered breeders can still throw an occasional tall dog in their litters thats just genetics. It goes on to a debate that I've heard before, would you breed a dog with great confirmation that happened to be 18 inches and above the weight standard or would you rather breed with the 16 inch dog with the bad mouth. What would be considered a more serious fault? Yes it is entirely possible that two 16 inch dogs will 'throw' an 18 inch dog, I dare say it happens often... The fact is that the dog does not fit the breed standard - therefore should be desexed and homed as a pet... IMO it should not be bred from or shown in the ring because it does not meet the standard set down for the breed - just my opinion StaffordLove, nothing more. I am not a breeder. Would I breed a dog that was 18 inches as opposed to a dog with a bad mouth - NO, I would breed neither. Both would be desexed and homed as pets. I am not sure that a reputable breeder would breed a dog outside the standard either, I would like to hear from breeders if they do - would be interesting as to why. The breed standard is there for a reason. Stick to the standard and the breed won't end up bastardised. We won't end up with a 'type' instead of a 'breed'. I don't know about anyone else, but I like our breed just the way it is. I completly understand what you are saying. I suppose I think that there are worse things than an oversized dog if the rest of the "package" is up to standard. I could be a bit guilty of having the original standard in mind but that brings up a whole another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffyluv Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 It is just an opinion. You have yours and I have mine - that is what a public forum is all about. Would be pretty boring if we all agreed with each other on everything.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~SL~ Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) Half the people wouldnt come on here if there wasnt someone to disagree with them i suspect lol EDT: i mean in a mentally stimulating, in the interest of learning kind of way. Edited June 17, 2008 by StaffordLove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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